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Thread: Which THREE U.S. Ladies do you want to see at the Olympics next year?

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    now at pre Olympics Gracie is closing the Gap with Ashley
    I fully expect Gracie to beat Ashley and be US No.1 lady by Sochi

    1 Gracie
    2 Ashley
    3 ???? a toss up between Zawadzki, Gao or maybe Mirai

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    Gracie needs to work on one thing this off season. Learning to really perform to the music and not skate right through it and also learn how to emote to the crowd. It's obvious that she's not a natural performer or musical but these things can be worked on.

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    So typical of Wagner, went back to safe layout. For what? So she can win silver or bronze at some stupid event? No 2A-3T, no 3F-3T? What a joke. This girl just wants Ralph Lauren freebies for being an Olympics athlete. Who cares about her. Send someone else who wants to win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    So typical of Wagner, went back to safe layout. For what? So she can win silver or bronze at some stupid event? No 2A-3T, no 3F-3T? What a joke. This girl just wants Ralph Lauren freebies for being an Olympics athlete. Who cares about her. Send someone else who wants to win.
    The Ralph Lauren freebies joke? Not the first time I've seen you make that one on these boards. And quite an insipid joke at that.

    As to the 'safe layout', that's the layout she's been practising all season, why change it? She should have gone for the 3T after the 2A but the landing on the 2A wasn't good enough. She's had this problem before, so we haven't even seen that combo properly performed all season. That's something she'll need to work on. But there's absolutely no sense to the logic that 'she skated conservatively for a stupid 2nd place finish at some cheesefest instead of skating to "win"'. She helped garner 'team gold' and why take the risk injuring yourself a la Menshov when there was no need? She still pulled off a season's best (6th highest FS score of any skater this season).

    I think she shows more competitive drive and hunger to 'win' than any of the other US ladies the past six years. Maybe Gold can change that and maybe Ashley will answer the threat, we'll see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    So typical of Wagner, went back to safe layout. For what? So she can win silver or bronze at some stupid event? No 2A-3T, no 3F-3T? What a joke. This girl just wants Ralph Lauren freebies for being an Olympics athlete. Who cares about her. Send someone else who wants to win.
    Did Ashley steal your boyfriend or something? These comments are bizarrely catty in a very personal way

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    She's been talking about "big guns" since last year. If you don't think it is a safe layout, no point in arguing. She needs to put out the big guns every single time in order to feel comfortable enough. I hate talks and this girl is all talk. Who cares if she can place 6th? She will retire soon after, why invest in a sinking stock?

    If it is personal, she wont be able to do single axel afterward.

    Nothing is wrong with wanting RL goodies. I'm calling a spade a spade.

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    Ashley's 3/3s haven't been successful---she gets UR calls on them and the 2a+3t as well. Perhaps she feels a clean skate is worth more than a flawed one with UR calls.

    Look at Sotnikova---she went for 3/3 and 2a+3t and she got URd from 1st to 4th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Ashley's 3/3s haven't been successful---she gets UR calls on them and the 2a+3t as well. Perhaps she feels a clean skate is worth more than a flawed one with UR calls.

    Look at Sotnikova---she went for 3/3 and 2a+3t and she got URd from 1st to 4th.
    Don't you think it is odd she can't rotate the 3t? Her flip is a strong jump
    She looks strong. What's so hard about rotating the 3t? Plenty of girls can do it. Old gals like caro and akiko can do it. Is it speed? Is it technique?

    There is some fundamental issue with her technique and someone in her team should.figure it out. Dartfish next?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    Don't you think it is odd she can't rotate the 3t? Her flip is a strong jump
    She looks strong. What's so hard about rotating the 3t? Plenty of girls can do it. Old gals like caro and akiko can do it. Is it speed? Is it technique?

    There is some fundamental issue with her technique and someone in her team should.figure it out. Dartfish next?
    To me it seems Ashley does not have great flow coming out of her jumps, and she seems to land forward. (Maybe the two are related.) Most of the women who do 3/3s do a 3T/3T; adding a 3T to a flip or lutz seems a lot harder, and Adelina shows this. She usually has success with the 3T-3T and usually doesn't struggle to rotate the second jump, whereas the opposite is true for her 3Z-3T combo. Maybe Ashley could do a 3T-3T.

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    Ashley's best jump is probably 3lo. She should try 3lo-3t

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Even though Ashley skated clean Gracie still would have beaten her overall and in the LP if she hadn't doubled her last jump. Unless Ashley gets a 3-3 combo if Gracie improves her presentation marks just a little she will be tough to beat considering she has Ashley beat on jumps speed and spins already.
    But Gracie did double her last jump. This is like saying that Sasha Cohen would have beaten Michelle Kwan at Nationals in 1999, 2000, 2001,2005, etc., if she hadn't fallen. Gracie desperately needs new choreography and work on her artistry. I was lukewarm on her Life is Beautiful program (love the music) and have hated everything else she has done, choreo-wise. She is an exciting jumper but leaves much to be desired on the performance side. She actually kind of reminds me of Sarah Hughes in her demeanor and performance. But Sarah, of course, is an Olympic gold medalist, so maybe Gracie can just keep doing what she is doing. I hope not, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenaj View Post
    But Gracie did double her last jump. This is like saying that Sasha Cohen would have beaten Michelle Kwan at Nationals in 1999, 2000, 2001,2005, etc., if she hadn't fallen. Gracie desperately needs new choreography and work on her artistry. I was lukewarm on her Life is Beautiful program (love the music) and have hated everything else she has done, choreo-wise. She is an exciting jumper but leaves much to be desired on the performance side. She actually kind of reminds me of Sarah Hughes in her demeanor and performance. But Sarah, of course, is an Olympic gold medalist, so maybe Gracie can just keep doing what she is doing. I hope not, though.
    I think Gracie is more talented then Sarah was. Doesn't mean she will win a Olympic Gold medal or have the same success that Sarah had though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    To me it seems Ashley does not have great flow coming out of her jumps, and she seems to land forward. (Maybe the two are related.) Most of the women who do 3/3s do a 3T/3T; adding a 3T to a flip or lutz seems a lot harder, and Adelina shows this. She usually has success with the 3T-3T and usually doesn't struggle to rotate the second jump, whereas the opposite is true for her 3Z-3T combo. Maybe Ashley could do a 3T-3T.
    Ashley's solo 3F is actually very good. Good height, good flow out, good speed in. She should carry a lot of momentum into rotating the 3T after the 3F.

    As for 3Lo-3T, too hard. After 3Lo, most girls go to a standstill, not enough rotational momentum to complete the next triple.

    Look at the 3Lo and 3F side by side, you can see it's much harder to add a 3T to the loop than the flip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    I think Gracie is more talented then Sarah was. Doesn't mean she will win a Olympic Gold medal or have the same success that Sarah had though.
    Agree on talent. I was talking about demeanor and performance.

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    By the way, today is Mirai Nagasu's 20th Birthday.
    Happy Birthday, Mirai!

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