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Thread: Which THREE U.S. Ladies do you want to see at the Olympics next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Considering the most likely top 3 girls are expected to do a hard 3/3 or a 3A in the free skate, Ashley's not gonna be competitive against them with only a 3/3 in the SP.
    Completely disagreed. There is very little chance of Kostner and Asada actually delivering all of their planned content. Just look at this World Championships, where they even scored their highest of the whole season! Ashley definitely could have won the Silver at this World Championships with a smarter game plan, even after only doing a 3-2 in the SP. She was scoring close to 130 for the LP in her Grand Prix events earlier this season, with a missing Triple jump. That score could certainly be 135 with a more-polished 7-Triple backloaded program (what she needed for Silver after the SP). That's assuming the crappy choreography she had this year too! With a better program she could be breaking the 140 mark in the LP, without any 3-3 or 2Axel-3 attempt.

    There's really no point in her going for that combination in the LP at this point in her career. Her performance at Worlds suffered from the 2Axel-3Toe attempt doing nothing but losing her points, both technically and in PCS. She strangely fell on her step sequence, perhaps because of fatigue (maybe caused by the energy expenditure earlier on that combination!) creating a lack of concentration. Backloading, maxing out her double jumps in combination (she should really start focusing on 3Flip-2Loop-2Loop, something she also has done in the past), and pushing for GOE and PCS is the key.

    Ashley is strong and consistent. She jumps high on the Lutz/Flip/Loop, she rarely underrotates jumps (aside from 3-3 attempts), doesn't frequently make other mistakes, and she is capable of putting transitions before/after most jumps. Her spins are good and she has rather good flexibility, allowing her to do excellent spiral sequences. Her LP this season was sorely lacking a good Spiral. That charlotte they had in the program was SO wrong for the choreography and the lines Ashley is able to create.

    Side note - I'm actually rather pissed that NONE of the Ladies this season did a full-on Spiral Sequence for their "choreography step sequence". Most of the sequences we saw were so underwhelming, with elements randomly strung together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffionhanathomas View Post
    But the percentages don't add up to 100..haha! But yes I think USFSA love Gold so much that she has the biggest chance, despite her inconsistencies.

    I really want Gao, Wagner, and Czisny to make the team though. Yet who knows what will happen!
    Gao and Wagner, OK, but NOT Czisny. She is not competitive with the top dogs---no 3/3, slow, tentative jumps. USFS is not going to take Gold off the Sochi team so as to give Czisny a longevity award. USFS may have held up Czisny in the past, but I have my doubts that they will continue to do so in the future. She would have to truly outskate Gold, to displace Gracie, and I do not see that there is any possibility of that.

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    I would love to see either Gao or Nagasu on the team, they both have had it rough, the odds are against Nagasu but she has the whole off season to work on her issues and strongly bounce back. Christina is such a beautiful skater on the ice and I see great potential in her, she could surprise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    She should not do 3Flutz-combo. Negative GOE no matter what is not something you want to start out with.
    Simply not true. Mao going for the 3Axel is totally worth it even if she gets -2 GOE on it every time. The only thing that really matters in the end is the net amount of points and that could apply to this situation for Ashley too.

    Ashley isn't going to get good GOE on her 3Flip+3Toe regardless. That's what I'm getting at here. If she goes for 3Lutz+3Loop and gets -1 GOE, that's still more points than a 3Flip+3Toe with +1 GOE (plus doing the 3Lutz+3Loop allows her to then do a 3Flip as her solo jump in the SP, instead of a 3Loop, another small increase in points). Consistently getting +1 GOE on a fully-rotated 3Fip+3Toe isn't even realistic for Ashley to begin with, though, which is why it might be most profitable for her to attempt the 3Lutz+3Loop. That combination gives her something special, something nobody else is doing. It gives her a talking point to aim at judges - "I'm doing THE hardest combination in the entire competition". She only has to do it in the SP to get that talking point.

    Ashley's body and jumping abilities are really good for attempting the 3Lz+3Lo. To begin with, both of these jumps are great ones for her (ignoring the edge issue on the Lutz, which is irrelevant to the mechanics I'm talking about). Her Lutz at its best actually has superb and very straight flow-out. Beyond that, if you look at her Lutz landings, she always tends to land right in the ideal sweet spot for generating momentum to do a 3Loop - she lands a bit short of being totally backwards, which leaves just the right amount of circular room to naturally swing around into a Loop. Ashley also naturally has a tendency to swing around into her combination jumps to begin with, which caters to the Loop. I really, really want to see her go for this jump combination in the SP, like she used to.

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    I'd say Alissa, Mirai & Ashley. Although my 2 & 3 could change depending on next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    If Ashley hits 140 without 3x3, I'm going to puke. That's ridiculous and insane prediction. Ashley, without a 3x3, without even 2A-3T hit 140? Urgh, no. Wrong, wrong wrong. Wrong!
    I'm skeptical as well. It took Carolina a clean LP in her own Nationals to crack 140. As did Yuna, who did a 3/3 in the LP. And they both have sky-high PCS and GOE's. So I just don't see how Ashley could do it without a 3/3 or a 2A-3T.
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    I would say Ashley, Mirai, and Gracie.

    Given rest I think Ashley will come back strong.

    Mirai's season ended early and I think that can fuel her for 2014. I'm hoping she is given music that suits to her strengths, when she is on she is beautiful to watch and is still well received by the Intl judges.

    Gracie could be a threat if she works on her consistency and same as Mirai she needs music that suits her, with that being said she needs to work her artistry. I definitely see her being a favorite for 2018, she's young and has a lot potential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    I'm skeptical as well. It took Carolina a clean LP in her own [overinflated] Nationals to crack 140. As did Yuna, who did a 3/3 in the LP. And they both have sky-high PCS and GOE's. So I just don't see how Ashley could do it without a 3/3 or a 2A-3T.
    3/3 or 2A-3, in and of itself, doesn't actually mean anything in the LP. It's all just numbers.

    The LP jump layout I think Ashley should do has a higher base value than Yu-Na's.

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    If they are back in fighting shape, my top two for sure would be Ashley and Alissa. I think they COULD score better because they are more experienced. The last spot would be either Gracie or Gao. But it all depends. We still have a whole year to go before we can judge fully.

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    Ashley, Gracie, Agnes or Hannah.

    No Alissa or Marai please. They have had their chances and I am tired of hearing the excuses for their poor skates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    3/3 or 2A-3, in and of itself, doesn't actually mean anything in the LP. It's all just numbers.

    The LP jump layout I think Ashley should do has a higher base value than Yu-Na's.
    Of course it would. There several skaters who actually have much higher BV than Yuna in the LP. But you know very well BV is a bit less than 50% of the total score.

    I'm still not seeing how Ashley's gonna score 140+ on an LP without a 2A+3T or a 3x3, unless she gets real close to Yuna's PCS and GOE's. Can you provide a hypothetical breakdown of the BV, GOE and PCS that would do it?

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    I would love to see Ashley (who will kick butt and finally land that pesky 3/3); Mirai (who skates as well as she did last time around) and Christina (who deserves it). Gracie can go in 2018.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinymavy15 View Post
    I would love to see Ashley (who will kick butt and finally land that pesky 3/3); Mirai (who skates as well as she did last time around) and Christina (who deserves it). Gracie can go in 2018.
    That is what is wrong with U.S. Figure Skating. The younger skaters like Gracie never are given the chance to compete with the rest of the World. Do you really think the two who got the 3 spots back for the U.S. are going to be left off of the team if they skate well at Nationals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bentley View Post

    That is what is wrong with U.S. Figure Skating. The younger skaters like Gracie never are given the chance to compete with the rest of the World. Do you really think the two who got the 3 spots back for the U.S. are going to be left off of the team if they skate well at Nationals?
    If Ashley, Christina, and Mirai do well on the Grand Prix and finish ahead of Gracie at Nationals it could very well happen. If this season taught us anything it's that ice is slippery and anything can happen...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MK's Winter View Post
    I would say Ashley, Mirai, and Gracie.

    Given rest I think Ashley will come back strong.

    Mirai's season ended early and I think that can fuel her for 2014. I'm hoping she is given music that suits to her strengths, when she is on she is beautiful to watch and is still well received by the Intl judges.

    Gracie could be a threat if she works on her consistency and same as Mirai she needs music that suits her, with that being said she needs to work her artistry. I definitely see her being a favorite for 2018, she's young and has a lot potential.
    I agree... I like Mirai the best after considering Ashley and Gracie as locks for 2/3 of the spots. Let's rally, Mirai, you can dooooo it!

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