To suggest Sasha should get 13 points less than her personal best because the judges didn't know how to score CoP is pretty odd, especially when you consider that some base values were increased from 2003 to the 2006 season, skaters had a better handle of how to increase levels (not to mention level 3 and 4 introduced), you were allowed 3 combinations instead of 2 (including a 3-jump combination) and there was a 10% bonus. Even if you reduced Sasha's PCS, with these technical boosts in mind, Sasha's skates at Skate Canada would have still comfortably beaten Shizuka's PB at the Olympics.
Basing things on practice skates is negligible. It's what you put out there on competition ice at the right moment.
If THAT is the crux of your argument your arguing in favor of Sasha is even more ridiculous, the Sasha Cohen who has never skated a clean program in a real competition (I am not considering a cheesefest like Marshalls Cupcakes on Ice) and you use that statement while trying to argue in favor of Sasha, and how Shizuka was lucky Sasha Cohen of all people didnt do a clean program. How absurd! Atleast Shizuka skating cleanly with 7 triples and triple-triples (7 triples even without a triple-triple would already be more than enough to ensure even a fantasy clean Sasha not winning mind you, based on the protocals) is far more believable than Sasha skating cleanly with 7 triples, considering Shizuka actually has done so, at the 2004 Worlds, and a couple other times in lesser events. So you had better believe people are going to believe it was very possible for Shizuka to replicate her practice performances, if we are even considering any hope of Sasha skating a clean 7 triple long, or an ill Irina who was crashing and burning hard in practice of skating even a clean 6 triple long.
As for your comments about the scores, Sasha scored some 70 range scores for her short programs in the 2003-2004, while even her various very good shorts in 2005-2006 could only net between 60-66 points (and her best ever short by far at the Turin Olympics still only 66 and change). Her rather drab and unremarkable (also with major errros like her Turin skate) Skate Canada LP which most would agree was a "weaker" skate than her Olympic skate which was exceptional apart from the first 2 mistakes, scored around close to 130 vs her 116 for her superior Olympic LP. If that isnt sufficient proof of the obviously inflated COP scores of the Autumn 2003 "test" run, which were evident for ALL skaters then I dont know what is. It was basically the equivalent of the farce scoring of the 2004 Worlds where a mammoth never approached before record of 43 perfect 6.0s were handed out including to such heavyweights as Winkler & Lohse and Pang & Tong (yes I am their fan but they are 5.9 skaters at absolute best). All 6.0s from those Worlds are totally meaningless too. Think what you want to think, but I disregard any scores before the first real official COP season of 2004-2005, and many of the commentators even did the same, starting the marking of skaters PBs with that season.
This whole talk is silly anyway. Had Shizuka, Irina, and Sasha all skated their best at the Turino Olympics in the LP, Arakawa would have won easily. They all didnt skate their best and Arakawa still won easily. Pushing the idea of Irina and Sasha's best but not allowing the same for Shizuka, which is the ONLY way to make it sound like an unfavorable situation for Shizuka or make her as lucky to win somehow, makes no sense whatsoever. It is particularly humurous that CanadianSkaterGuy was infuriated anyone dare say Maria's World title in 1999 in a very weak transition year, with almost nobody at the event could be even remotedly lucky or anything but incredibly stellar, and yet now is hell bent on demoting Shizuka's Olympic win, which came on the heels of a World title less than 2 years earlier.
I guess had Irina been in her 2004-2005 season form and skated her very best though it would have been close between her and Shizuka. Both would have been around 135 points for the LP. Sasha in this case would have been a distant 3rd even with a totally clean skate (and that is without even mentioning it is dubious at best to even consider a clean long program as a possability for Sasha to begin). Comparing Shizuka to Sasha, Shizuka potentially was capable of the much harder jump layout, her jumps get much more GOE, she actually BEAT Sasha in spins in the LP which all but ends Sasha's hopes right then and there as that is one of the areas she needs to negate her inferior jumping, so what is Sasha's hope if both skated even comparably well for themselves? She isnt going to score 10 points higher in PCS than Shizuka or something. So why is this even worth discussing further, from no angle does Sasha win the argument, her case is as empty as her empty trophy case of World and Olympic titles. She isnt the winner if everyone skates cleanly, she isnt the winner if everyone skates their best ever, she isnt the most likely to have skated cleanly, she didnt come the closest to skating cleanly. Saying what if Sasha the girl who never skates cleanly had skated cleanly with 7 triples, while a skater who has proven they actually can (in actual competition) skate cleanly with 7 triples and 2 triple-triples, plus was doing it all week in practice to boot, had still done just 5, is stupid unless that is actually what happened, but didnt. OK with Michelle Kwan out Sasha Cohen has the nicest spiral of the Olympics, give her a bag of cookies for that, and end this insanity.
As for base values, they were higher in 2003-04 than in any season since.
2003-04: Lutz = 6.1, Flip = 5.6, Loop = 5.3, Salchow = 4.8. Toe = 4.5
2005-06: Lutz = 6.0, Flip = 5.5, Loop = 5.0, Salchow = 4.5, Toe =4.0
Sasha's all-time best, at 2003 Skate Canada, had negative GOE on both Lutzes (and no combo), her three spins were lavel 2, level 2, and level 1, her two step sequences were level 2 and level 1. But the way they were scoring that season she still got almost 200 points. Other skaters like Jenny Kirk also got some huge scores that year.
After changes in scoring the following year no one approached that mark for two years, until Slutskaya edged it out in her whirlwind 2005 Grand Prix season.
I wouldn't say that the judges "didn't know how to score CoP in the 2003-04 season." But the ISU deliberately cooled things off after seeing so many sky high scores for unexceptional programs.
As for Sasha the only time she got close to 200 points ever again after the fall 2003 interim COP process, was at her own Nationals in 2006 where she skated a much better LP than the Turin Olympics, probably her closest to clean in a real event ever, and almost as good a SP, and way better performances than Skate Canada 2003 by a huge margin, and still with National inflation only about tied her 2003 Skate Canada overall mark. At Skate Canada 2003 some of her clean jumps were getting +3s in GOE which tells you all you need to know (by 2005-2006 her clean jumps were rightfully mostly getting 0s in GOE, with the occasional +1s, more like what you expect from an average and inconsistent jumper).
Like I said, I'm not Sasha's fan, but I still treat her and other skaters with respect -- especially considering she's won 3 world medals and an Olympic silver (top 4 in the five times she's gone to Worlds). Juvenile, vitriolic comments like Sasha's "case is as empty as her empty trophy case of World and Olympic titles" just goes to show you're just a jerk who has nothing better to do than bring down skaters. Skaters don't owe you a title (or multiple titles in non-transition years when they aren't the favourites and aren't skating on home ice) just so you can stop saying crap about them.
I noticed you didn't even go there about D10....
If what you said is true, Ten would not have scored 91 points in his SP because the judges were accustomed to his supposed hit or miss practices.
I am saying he would have been closer in the short program.
Any closer and Ten would have been getting the scores of Hanyu and Takahashi after clean SPs with quads. Ten's a good skater and gave a great performance, but he's not deserving of 95 points for that SP. I would have also had Chan lower though -- around the 95 area, and Ten just shy of 90, so about the same gap but both lower. Ten also benefited from being in the final flight of the SP and possibly benefited from a disastrous Hanyu skating right before him.