Wicked Yankee Girl
Today's pairs make me miss Zhang & Zhang, let alone Shen & Zhao
I hope Tong Jian comes back from his scheduled surgery stronger...and he and Pang Qing save pair skating at the Olympics.
why and how could they "save" it? just wondering..
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
I agree. Such a few anymore really have an own style. Also, current skating world is lacking interesting personalities.
Originally Posted by gmyers
the Zhangs were nothing special they were the Sui/Han of their era, Shen/Zhao were not that remarkable either with his stocky built and her poor lines in lifts and twists they became the judges fave after sticking for 3 Olympics cycles and still not winning OGM. Pang/Tong were the best from their era.
Originally Posted by koatcue
Gotta Have Music
I still like pairs. Always loved G&G, Shen & Zhao. I miss Amanda & Mark. I really like S&S, but didn't feel they deserved to be on the podium this time around. I was hoping that Moore-Towers/Moskovitch would be.
judges will always love that classical lines and Pairs
that you associate with Gordeeva/Grinkov, Brezhnaya/Sikhuralidze and now with Volosozhar/Trankov
Well, since I won't acquiesce to being an Emily Dickinson NOBODY, I still like pairs skating. I didn't realize it was no longer popular. If it has become the orphan child, I really have no idea as to the reason. What surprises me about myself is that I never would have imagined becoming the fan of ice dancing that I have. That was my red haired stepchild in skating until the last few years.
I disagree that widespread disinterest has anything to do with lack of NA pairs... aren't 2 of the top 4 teams from Canada?
I remember most of the great pairs teams... I mentioned them in an earlier post on this thread. They were, for the most part, Soviet/Russian, not NA.
Find a youtube of a skate that includes the Protopopov's pair spiral. The simplicity, perfectly matched lines, the elegance... it's worth a dozen triple twists with crashy catches or 15 throw triples landed on the butt (but still rewarded under CoP) but that spiral wouldn't be valued today. Likewise the joy of G/G in Calgary, compared to their mature grace in their second Olympic win, there is a real range of emotion. Those didn't look like the same program at all. Irina Rodnina: three OGM with two different partners. I think she was WC something like 10 years. She was dominant.
Once you've been wow'd by those skaters... it's tough to get too worked up by V/T, S/S, or any of the rest. They're fine skaters, no doubt, but the thrill isn't there in pairs for me anymore. I think it has everything to do with the programs, and not the skaters themselves.
I haven't given up on ever seeing a truly great pairs team again. I'm waiting patiently.
No offence, but I don't see how Pang/Tong at their the best are better than S/S and V/T at their best. I mean, good luck to him, Pang/Tong can surely be an itersting addition to the mix of medals contenders at the Olys, but "save" it? Don't think so.
Originally Posted by dorispulaski
I generally don't think that pairs need saving any more thanany other skating discipline. I'm fascinated with both S/S and V/T and simply adore Tanya and Max's skating> My only wish is that there were more top level pairs from different countries and for sure it'd boost fans interest in the sport.
Because COP made it unwatchable.
Originally Posted by Mathman
Starting from 1990, I love Kristi and Rudy. Their programs had quite a few highlights that none of the US pairs have.
M/D are awesome. Their programs are always special. Poor K/S, just couldn't reach it.
B/S are also very special although I don't like them as much as M/D. M/D are more original.
T/M are boring as hell. They are the first COP pair, and they put a damp into pair skating in general. Boring, boring, boring. Watching water boiling is probably more interesting than these two.
Z/Z were exciting at the Olympics actually. They looked equally boring, but they went for big tricks that pushed me to the edge of my seat. They lost the exciting portion of their performance when they stuffed all the big tricks back in the bag.
S/Z were a bit overrated. They are more connected than T/M and the Zhangs, but something else is missing. Their programs aren't as original and special as M/D or B/S. Even programs in 6.0 era.
S/S are so overrated. They are the worst world champion of pair skating since the new system. Messy, flawed programs year after year. And everything looks labored. I can't get into them at all.
K?S almost had it. Both are boring folks, disguised by clever choreography. But it can only go so far. And their inconsistency didn't help.
P/T are like the M/T of pairs but 10 years older. Don't know when to call it quit. Last persons to leave a party. Just sad to watch now.
V/T are just gross. With tacky programs to boot.
I think the #2 Canadian pair are the only pair that is closest to the cool old day.
I'm not sure when I lost interest in pairs. For some reason, it all looks the same to me now. Every pair seems to do the same ugly lifts- and most don't do interesting dismounts any more. Dance lifts are creative and wonderful. Pairs lifts are staid and boring.
There has to be some way to tweak the scoring system to reward creativity and interesting choreography.
Also-whenever a fresh, new team comes along, they break up.
I like Savchenko/Szolkowy, but the only other pairs team I was really, really interested in and loved to watch was Takahashi/Tran. Above all other pairs, Takahashi/Tran's skating had that air of old-school pairs elegance to them, except updated to CoP standards.
But then they broke up
I blame the stupid team event at the Olympics....
Yes!!!! And I miss the quiet harmonic motion! In the past was a real harmony between the skaters.
Originally Posted by gmyers
You are correct. My interest in pairs has been dwindling since 2010, not just because the old top pairs are on the decline (the reason why they haven't retired kind of tell the week new comers), but also new promising pairs are either breaking up or injured, or both.
New Chinese pairs have good pair skills but poor singe jumps & skating skills; North American pairs have good single jumps but their throws tend to look heavy and not thrilling; Then only Russian pairs are left for me to enjoy. But due to the lack of competition, I am giving them up too.
The field needs some new blood, some new comers that can dominate.
I wished Dan Zhang didn't retire. Hao with is new partner his no where near their pervious form, she needs to mature as fast as possible, and he needs to fight against problems of getting old.