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Thread: What do Ashley or Gracie need to do to Medal in Sochi

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    One must always keep in mind that hockey rinks are not standard sized at all.
    Actually, I didn't know that.

    Thanks to the contributor above who filled in the blanks regarding seating capacity at the Olympic-sized ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TontoK View Post
    Edit: I thought the size negated some power and speed advantages of some of the skaters, particularly the ice dancers. I thought both D/W and V/M got really close to the boards on occasion, and I would suspect they both had to throttle down the speed a little to adjust to the smaller rink. Does anyone know more about how skaters adjust to smaller facilities?
    I read that Yuna basically adjusted her training after Nats to ensure that she'd be comfortable in a smaller rink. But then the Nats venue (Mokdong) is also a fairly small rink.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moment View Post
    For now Gracie is too stiff and boring. She needs considerable improvement in her presentation if she wants to medal even in 2018. Forget 2014.
    First and foremost, Gracie needs better music selections and better choreography. Last season's and this season's SP and LP were nowhere near top-drawer vehicles. IMO she needs a fresh eye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigsisjiejie View Post
    First and foremost, Gracie needs better music selections and better choreography. Last season's and this season's SP and LP were nowhere near top-drawer vehicles. IMO she needs a fresh eye.
    So true. She needs music that varies the pacing and mood, more intense in some parts and more soft/gentle in other parts. Her LP his year just had one pace and it was too busy throughout. She needs intense moments and slower, softer moments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guanchi View Post
    I can see her in the top 3 in the sp if Caro or Mao makes mistakes
    did you not watch the ladies short at worlds this year???

    Caro and Mao did bad short programs, Ashley skated clean and they were still ahead of her.

    It is not going to happen at all for Ashley!

    They should send an up and coming US Lady instead of her! Like Angela Wang or Hicks to get experience, a good way to start the next 4 year campaign for them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by snsd View Post
    did you not watch the ladies short at worlds this year???

    Caro and Mao did bad short programs, Ashley skated clean and they were still ahead of her.
    Ashley was ahead of Mao after the short program. Carolina was ahead of them both.

    I have to say that even though I admire Ashley getting through the FS after that fall and helping secure three spots for the US, I think she was a bit generously marked in terms of PCS. The fall was not only a disruptive kind as it brought her footwork sequence to a complete halt, but she did not recover at all well, skated veryyyy slowly afterwards and and had another slight stumble. So it's exactly the kind of mistake that should be punished in PCS, particularly P/E. However, she got the same P/E mark as Kanako Murakami, who only had one visible mistake (popping the axel) which was very slight, and slight underrotation mistakes which were accounted for in TES. And Ashley beat Kanako in the FS. Totally disagree on that. I would take Ashley's Nationals or GPF performances over her Worlds FS.

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    Pray for a miracle But in all seriousness, as we've seen from this years men's competition anything can happen. The girls just need to bring it with winning programs that have both the technical content and artistry. After that they've got to sell it like nobody's business the way Ten did it this year

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    I think Gracie is more likely to win a medal than Ashley, but it will be difficult for either.

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    Caro, Yuna and/or Mao needs to have a serious meltdown and Gracie and/or Ashley a skate of their lives if they want to win a medal. I think one of them, either Ashley or Gracie, would be able to place over Russian skaters(whether it's Julia, Liza, or Adelina) and maybe even place fourth at Olympics. But to place over big 3(Caro, Yuna, Mao)-that's another story.

    Gracie certainly can aim for 2018 Olympics, though-I can see her as an Olympic medalist there. What she needs is:
    1).Better choregraphy.
    2).She needs to work on PCS-especially IN and PE. And she needs to be more graceful-she seems rather stiff at this point, but she's young, so she has potential to improve.
    3).CONSISTENCY!

    I'm not sure about Ashley-I doubt she'll be able to compete at 2018 Olympics.

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    Gracie needs all the PCS improvements already discussed. Better music and choreo is certainly achievable, but I don't know that anyone can be taught to be less stiff. Changing her basic carriage is a difficult thing to fix. Even if improvement can be made, tension and old habits will come back under the stress of competition.

    Ashley needs a higher difficulty in combo jumps. I don't know that she needs more difficult spins as much as she needs to get the rotations/levels done in competition.

    Both need consistent performances.

    Beyond that, I think predicting results in Sochi now is a bit pointless. The first wild card for every skater is injury. Some of the current front runners are getting older (in skater years, not normal life!) and who knows who will last through the pounding of another whole season.

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    I thought Ashley's music selections hurt her this year. Last year she skated to a fast, peppy song I had never heard skated to before (from the movie "Pollock," I believe) and then did her classical but sort of quirky "Black Swan" piece. This year she did iirc two Michelle Kwan retreads. She is not a Michelle Kwan type of skater.

    When more "athletic" type of skaters try to force themselves into a mold of "serious delicate skater" skating to heavy, serious music, I think it robs them of their mojo. True, she did well on the Grand Prix circuit, so it wasn't a total loss, but her skating seemed happier and more entertaining last year.

    Both girls need to find music and choreography that plays to their strengths. Neither would be well served skating to the concerto for a single violin or the soft sounds of an elegant piano, but I bet that's exactly what we'll see for both of them next year.

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    Actually I liked Ashely's pieces this year. I don't really think her music selections hurt her as judges seems more than willing to give her decent PCS. I think what really hurt her the technical side, not the artistic side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodlepal View Post
    I thought Ashley's music selections hurt her this year. Last year she skated to a fast, peppy song I had never heard skated to before (from the movie "Pollock," I believe) and then did her classical but sort of quirky "Black Swan" piece. This year she did iirc two Michelle Kwan retreads. She is not a Michelle Kwan type of skater.

    When more "athletic" type of skaters try to force themselves into a mold of "serious delicate skater" skating to heavy, serious music, I think it robs them of their mojo. True, she did well on the Grand Prix circuit, so it wasn't a total loss, but her skating seemed happier and more entertaining last year.

    Both girls need to find music and choreography that plays to their strengths. Neither would be well served skating to the concerto for a single violin or the soft sounds of an elegant piano, but I bet that's exactly what we'll see for both of them next year.
    Both of them, especially Gracie, have the potential to convey some of the strength and upbeat personality of Irina Slutskaya. I always thought that she could skate some of the jollier classics, such as Die Fledermaus or the overture to Ruslan and Ludmilla, or the overture to The Bartered Bride. Actually, Gracie could make something wonderful of Jupiter, but a different portion of it and an entirely different arrangement from the dreamy, lyrical "I Vow to Thee My Country" section that Mao used a few years ago.

    In other words, yes, I agree with you, Poodlepal, that a single soft piano or harp glissandos are not for these ladies.

    Jupiter is over 7 minutes long but could be artfully cut to make one barnstormer of a routine for someone like Gracie who can fly.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz0b4STz1lo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrs. P View Post
    Actually I liked Ashely's pieces this year. I don't really think her music selections hurt her as judges seems more than willing to give her decent PCS. I think what really hurt her the technical side, not the artistic side.
    Me too! Especially her short. But then, clearly I am in the minority in that I did not love Ashley's swan piece from last year. I didn't see what was "quirky" about it. I thought it was rather literal myself. It wasn't awful but you could see her trying to appear balletic and swan like. She was sooooo working those swan arm movements. It was not a natural look for her and it looked overworked.
    She's an attack-type of skater and she relies on making eye contact with the judges and, when she can, the audience. She's good at that. This year's pieces showed off her fire more. She needs pieces that show off her fire but that also mask that she's not the speediest or lightest skater out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    I think Gracie is more likely to win a medal than Ashley, but it will be difficult for either.
    This is exactly how I feel. As others have said, anything can happen because Mao and Carolina can really be hit or miss. However, Ashley doesn't have the technical content of the top tier skaters and, despite countless opportunities to go for it this year, she seems to have no intention of even trying a 3/3. I suspect that she was more interested in winning titles than attempting risky elements in her early season programs, but she isn't going to make the podium with her content as it is today.

    Gracie, on the other hand, has an outside shot of medaling. I keep thinking of Kwan's 1995 to 1996 transition and if Gold can pull that off she can do well in Sochi. She really needs to do nothing on the technical side; her jump difficulty and quality are among the very best. If she can skate clean and improve her artistry, there's no reason she can't beat a 4 triple LP by Carolina or Mao.

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