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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    So what... Do you remember the worlds where Kostner was landing only doubles and singles and pops? She also struggled to handle the technical content she had. She ended up 12th at worlds and the following year 16th at Olympics. Since then she has medalled at every Europeans and Worlds...
    Nice, now we just need to drum up some support for the other real underachievers in the Morozov group; Dice, Amodio and the I/K? This season is going to be grand!!

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    Alena was 5th and 6th at her two GPs this year, 7th at Nationals, was not sent to Euros, and was 13th at Worlds, which means she won't be guaranteed two GP events this coming season. She will still be 9th on the WR list after the old data is removed, and she is #25 on the SB list, so she might get an assignment or two on the GP. But unless she brings in a GP medal and medals at Russian Nationals, we won't see her at Euros, Olympics or Worlds.

    Tuk and Sot may not have been perfect, but at least they won GP, National and Euros medals, and finished top 10 at Worlds. Lipnitskaia qualified for GPF (wd due to injury) and medaled at JW, Pogorilaya medaled at the JGPF and JW. Then there's Radionova, too young for ISU senior Championships and the Olympics, but won the JGPF, Russian Nationals and JW.

    Of course, it all depends on how many of the younger ladies survive puberty with jumping ability intact, but unless Leonova shines in the coming season, she is probably done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Alena was 5th and 6th at her two GPs this year ...
    Actually, 6th and 7th....

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    Quote Originally Posted by bramweld View Post
    Nice, now we just need to drum up some support for the other real underachievers in the Morozov group; Dice, Amodio and the I/K? This season is going to be grand!!
    I am not drumming support into anyone. I just don't think it is fair to write off a person after one unsuccessful season. If you look into results of other skaters, most of them have some dips in their results. They are humans, not machines. I am really sorry that you are disappointed, but that's life!

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    Finally two persons who get it; chuckm and ForeverFish. Nobody wants to see someone's career tank like this. But you've got to ask yourself, how could she have waited so late in the season to get her act together, the season before the Olympics! Not one sparkling performance for the entire season. Correct me here if I missed one? If she couldn't control her nerves now, how will she fare when the real race begins? Alena for better or worse is a skater with limited skills so her only shot of scoring well anywhere are great GOE and commitment to whatever she is doing. When the jumps fall away whatever is left is just not stable. If she doesn't focus on what is important, forget the whining and start to work consistently hard starting this April, she will find it hard to go to Europeans, Worlds or the Olympics. She has a very tough road ahead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanca View Post
    I am not drumming support into anyone. I just don't think it is fair to write off a person after one unsuccessful season. If you look into results of other skaters, most of them have some dips in their results. They are humans, not machines. I am really sorry that you are disappointed, but that's life!
    Just playing with you hanca. I don't take any of this too personally really, let it rip. I'm a big girl

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    I agree that Leonova's skating skills aren't outstanding. She has always flutzed and sometimes tended to UR some jumps. This season, few if any of her jumps have been landed cleanly. Look at any of her protocols and you will see all the negative GOE.

    What she DID have in the past was great personality and zest, and that was what elevated her PCS scores above her opponents. However, this past season, she's been skating as if all the spirit has been drained from her, so her best asset as a skater has disappeared. Perhaps she has personal troubles, but she has got to leave them behind when she takes the ice and try to tap into the happy Alena. That's what she needs to do to keep her place on the Russian team.

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    She doesn't be happy Alena on the ice. She can be the witch or requiem for a dream that she won world silver with!! Her best pcs was for rfad. I don't like this horrible box of smily chirpy programs everyone wants her to do when her best is witch or rfad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    She doesn't be happy Alena on the ice. She can be the witch or requiem for a dream that she won world silver with!! Her best pcs was for rfad. I don't like this horrible box of smily chirpy programs everyone wants her to do when her best is witch or rfad!
    You are right. It wasn't happiness what she was missing. It was the fire within her. Her belief in her skills and in her program. Her trying to interpret the program, as opposed to just skate through it as if she was having the weight of the world on her shoulders.

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    Alena has to be happy with herself to skate with spirit the way she once did. It has nothing to do with the kind of programs she does, but the sheer joy she used to feel when she skated.

    I always felt the worst thing she could do was be coached by Morozov. He has quite a record of big talent going to him, then wiping out. This season was Takahashi's worst in the past three years. Amodio is no longer even an also-ran, he's a once-was. Thank goodness Javier Fernandez left!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Alena has to be happy with herself to skate with spirit the way she once did. It has nothing to do with the kind of programs she does, but the sheer joy she used to feel when she skated.
    I could not agree more! This season, it was almost as if wasn't the same person out there on the ice - it wasn't even "just" the technical problems; the spirit was lacking. I actually rather liked the flamenco she had at the beginning of the season - or rather, would have, if she had skated it with any kind of fire. As she can. I think the difference between now and last season was most painfully apparent in her FP at Worlds' - since she went back to her old program the difference from how she skated it then, and how she skated now, was so... glaring. And it isn't as if I was particularly a fan of that program (I think that, for me at least, the new flamenco one had more potential), but that you could really see that she was a pale shadow of her old self. I do hope she picks herself up/together again, as I'd be sad to "write off" anybody - and I'm not especially a fan of hers; but seeing someone not living up to their potential is sad. Now, who knows what has been troubling her this season? Hopefully, whatever it is gets sorted, and she can get... her fight back; because it's been signally missing this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Alena has to be happy with herself to skate with spirit the way she once did. It has nothing to do with the kind of programs she does, but the sheer joy she used to feel when she skated.

    I always felt the worst thing she could do was be coached by Morozov. He has quite a record of big talent going to him, then wiping out. This season was Takahashi's worst in the past three years. Amodio is no longer even an also-ran, he's a once-was. Thank goodness Javier Fernandez left!
    All your post before this one was seemingly all about externals. Personality and zest and happy Alena all leading to her high pcs. Her highest pcs was for rfad. Zest in rfad? Personality? Happy Alena? Unless I am mistaken and you saw zest personality and happy Alena in rfad. That's not what I got from all your posts.

    Morozov has been absolutely the best for Alena- 2012 worlds?!?

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    If she keeps skating like in 2013, she's finished, but she's got a chance if she goes back to skating like at Worlds 2012.

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    I have to say she is the one russian lady who sometimes reminded me of the joyous great irina. It took me years to become a true fan of Irina. I must say I do not think Tut is going to have it easy next year. I like her the best, despite her figure changing every comp and the costumes. I think her height and her development will be an issue. It bothers me that skating is now a skinny girl sport. I think Alena was very lucky to get that world silver. i did not agree, but Alena is so likeable, I can't help but wish her well. The other Russian baby starlets have a diva attitude that is annoying. The Russians want a lady on the podium very badly, and I have no idea who they should promote. Sadly, I think morozov worked well with Miki's choreograpy, if you don't count the 2010 LP he saddled Miki with. There are still interesting moments in his choreography but I think Alena would benefit from whoever is doing osmond's programs.

    I cannot tell who is the best Russian lady. But generally, i hate a lot of the programs. I miss makarova's womanly elegance. Liza is so talented, I hope her jump technique carries her through. I hated Sotnikova' LP music, costume and her aura does nothing for me. So I kinda hope Alena gets lucky this season with the choreo. I guess I care about the veterans and have seen too many "it" girl teenagers crash and burn over the years.

    I agree with whoever says she is not done. I can't imagine she would skate past Sochi, but I wish her one good last season. Her persona makes me root for her and my other choice for best of luck is Liza. I wish she was not so burndened in Russia being known as Mishin's girl. I have come to appreciate those people who love the ice and can relax and show it. I can't take my eyes off Suzuki, Osmond and Gracie. old or young, i see the joy. Good luck ms leonova!! Come back fighting.

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    Hmmm my first thought was to say yes, however the Russian women proved to be quite mediocre this year. If she regains some semblance of consistency I think she could actually still have a shot at the 2 women Russian Olympic Team. Why would they completely write off a former World silver medalist in favor of girls whose best combined finish at a World event thus far is 9th place. Heck Leonova is even the only one to medal in a Grand Prix final thus far, and Sotnikova and Tuks have been eligible for that event for 2 seasons now.

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