Laney Diggs had finished 5th at Pacific Sectionals and was a last-minute substitute for Vanessa Lam (P1). Laney probably hadn't been practicing her programs much since Sectionals, since she assumed her season was over.
But the competition at Sectionals is easier at the Senior level, believe it or not, than at the Junior and Novice levels. The top 5 Senior ladies from the previous Nationals don't have to do Sectionals, and several of the top 10 Seniors don't do Sectionals because they've been scheduled for GP or "B" internationals that conflict with Sectional dates, or made the JGPF. This year, these included the top 5 from 2012 Nats (Wagner, Zawadzki, Gao, Zhang) plus Gold, Nagasu, Wang and Miller.
Pacific Sectionals was particularly weak this year---there was a big gap in ability after Lam and Hicks to Amanda Hofmann and Sophia Adams. Morgan Bell was the lowest-ranked lady from Midwest Sectionals.
OTOH, all the Juniors except those who made the JGPF have to do Sectionals, and there are no byes for Novice ladies.
EZETTIE LATUASV IVAKMHA
So, with Polina S switching to Israel, and now Ksenia Makarova possibly switching to America, are there any other possible moves amongst the Russian Ladies skaters?
with 3A and a quad he could do well at least competing internationally for Georgia
Moris Kvitelashvili, a Georgian last name; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4wGgA-_SzI
also Nikol Gosviani needs to think of her future
she could do well too since Elene insn't good anymore
Anna Pogorilaya is likely of Ukranian origins given her last name (at first I thought it was Armenian, but then did some research and most with that surname are from Ukraine), so that could be a possible nationality switch if things don't pan out well in Russia in the future. Only competition there is Popova who is decent but not a huge threat.
Agree about Gosviani, and also Mazuraidze (sp?) Liubov Illusheshkina's old partner could represent Georgia as well, if he found a new partner there.
Jason Brown is Jewish, so he could likely skate for Israel if his chance doesn't arise in the US, though he seems to be doing well for now.
Max Aaron is Jewish also. But I see little chance of either Jason or Max skating for Israel.
I think we can safely say that Jason and Max are going to have plenty of opportunities to skate for Team USA and a country switch is not necessary.
I don't think he needs to do that. Firstly, he already has a new partner and despite the short time they have been together, they placed fourth at their senior nationals, and secondly, after Volosozhar/Trankov and Kavaguti/Smirnov retire, they have a chance to be second or third Russian couple. So why changing if the Russian Federation will offer him more support than any other skating federation?
Originally Posted by silverlake22
That's how you get ants
Just curious, is Gosviani of Georgian descent? I was very curious about her first name, it's quite unusual for Russia isn't it? Also, aren't Mazuraidze and Sikharulidze ect. Armenian names, not Georgian?
Originally Posted by silverlake22
Also just thought I'd add to the old conversation about Russian skaters getting alternate nationalities to compete, this was supposed to be for the benefit of Let's Talk, but it looks like he/she got banned (called it!), but in case anyone else is interested, Germany had (although it may have changed) residency permits for those of German descent. One of Katarina Gerboldt's grandfathers was German so she might qualify. Is she still competing? She was in pairs, perhaps if she went to Germany they could find her a good German male partner, the Germans tend to develop better men than women pairs skaters these days, hence the need to look abroad for partners (eg Aliona).
Gerboldt is fairly tall (163 cm) for a pair skater so I'm not sure it would be easy for her to find another partner. In any case, she's still competing with Enbert - they won bronze at the Lombardia Trophy.
Originally Posted by MalloryArcher
Here's a sample of Georgian names: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ers_of_Georgia
Georgian: -vili, -dze, -ani
Armenian: -yan -ian
Ukrainian: -enko, -uk (especially -chenko, -chuk).
11-14-2013, 04:44 PM
Georgia could potentially hit a jackpot here
Originally Posted by cassiem
Moris Kvitelashvili who won Senior Cup of Russia 4th series landing 2 quads in LP
question is will Russia release him if he decides to skate for Georgia
Georgia could be decent next quad if these skaters represent
Ladies: Nikol Gosviani
Men: Moris Kvitelashvili
Pairs: Nodari Maisuradze and partner
11-14-2013, 05:02 PM
If Russia is totally insane and crazy they would release kvitelashvili! All these people have sikharulidze to be a mentor.
11-15-2013, 10:20 AM
The problem is that all those competitors are currently competing internationally so they would have to sit out a year! Besides, all of them are doing reasonably well so they have no reason to change at this point.
Originally Posted by sky_fly20
01-06-2014, 04:39 PM
EZETTIE LATUASV IVAKMHA
Since this discussion has started creeping into other threads, I thought I would try and bring it back into the dedicated thread.
For example, silverlake22 brought up in the Ukrainian Ladies thread about Pogorilaya being a Ukrainian name, and that, given the depth of field in Russia, the Ukraine might be a good move for her.
Similarly, myself and many others have (in many threads!) been encouraging Nikol Gosviani to switch to Georgia as, once Elene Gedevanishvili retires, there isn’t really anybody to replace her.
Although it is not to do with singles skaters, I also want to highlight an example that golden411 pointed out in response to a comment I made. (By the way, with how much the conversation had moved on by the time I came back to that thread, I never got the chance to say thank you to golden411 for the kind words. Also you were right in realising that I was playing devil’s advocate with my comment about Nagasu, and thank you for pointing it out to the other members).
Andrew Poje is of Slovakian descent.
Now, this was a big surprise to me, as from the way his surname is pronounced (well, the way it is pronounced by the commentators I listen to, anyway!), I always thought that he was either Quebecois or just of French descent.
Just out of curiosity, I looked up the results of Three Nationals, and found that there has been only 1 entry in the Slovakian Ice Dance Championships each year since 2010!
Given how well they have been doing in Canadian Championships during this time frame, it would be stupid to suggest that Weaver and Poje should have used Andrew’s background to switch to skating for Slovakia. But, if they had not been this successful…
When I started this thread, I was just trying to look for ways that skaters could use their family background to their advantage. But, in the past few months, we have seen that switching countries can also have disadvantages.
I am of course talking about the situation that arose in Australia, where Chantelle Kerry’s camp claimed that Brooklee Han wasn’t eligible to represent Australia at the Olympics.
Admittedly, the Kerry camp used other things as excuses to take it to the Court of Arbitration. But, you got the distinct impression that what it all boiled down to was that Chantelle’s camp were annoyed that the Australian Federation was leaning towards picking to represent Australia somebody they considered to be a foreigner, rather than a “home-grown” Aussie.
Brooklee, of course, was born and reared in America, but has an Australian Dad. Chantelle, on the other hand, was born and reared in Australia.
When I started the Fan Fest thread for Ashley Cain, I hinted that I would love to see her switching to Australia (her Dad, of course, being Peter Cain, a former Pairs skater from Sydney).
The way I was thinking was that the arrival of Ashley into the mix would push Brooklee and Chantelle forwards. With three good skaters competing for the same international slot, all three girls would improve, and it would only be a good thing for Australian skating.
Now, though, I am having second thoughts as to whether this would be a good move. Ashley is in the same boat as Brooklee, in that she was born and reared in America. So, in theory, the same thing could happen to her sometime down the line.
But, it started me thinking. For the past few years, Ashley Wagner has without doubt been the top American Ladies skater. Similarly, Clara Peters is without doubt the top Irish Ladies skater. But, despite both sets of parents being from those countries, both these skaters were actually born in Germany. (Although, given her surname, I would bet an awful lot of money that Ashley has more than a little German or Austrian blood running through her… )
Don’t worry, this is a totally different situation to what has been discussed so far in this thread. It was just a simple case that the families just happened to be in Germany at the time the girls were born.
But, in light of the case in Australia, it does start you wondering. Could somebody challenge these girls’ eligibility for representing their respective countries? I can’t see it happening in Ireland – like, who is there to challenge Clara? But, America is a different matter.
Hypothetically, could whoever finishes fourth in American Nationals next week put in a challenge for Ashley’s slots at Olympics and Worlds?
It’s a scary thought.
01-06-2014, 05:36 PM
I'm gonna Customize the CRAP out of this Title!!!
lol - no, Ashley is safe!
Originally Posted by CaroLiza_fan
American soldiers stationed in other countries with their families have comprehensible special statutes with regards to having a child born there. Ashley was a 100% US citizen from the moment she was born. Actually, having both parents be US Citizens as is the case with Ashley is enough to be a 100% US Citizen from birth.
Since this seems to be the right place for it, here's a post of mine from a few days ago - I hope someone (from Russia?) can shed a light on how switching nationalities has changed in 20 years in this specific instance?
Originally Posted by Frenchie
01-06-2014, 06:34 PM
Fedor andreev-----canadian and russian