Frankly, I prefer that lutz to all of them (except Yuna's 3Lutz-3Toe) and so do the judges.
And I like she uses a ton of speed to execute her jumps.
You can't really ding Irina for having steps into her 3F and not having as much flow out of them. Obviously having steps means less speed and less flow. As for the GOE difference, I think the judges are disregarding Carolina's telegraphing when considering their GOE. Like the 3lutz, Carolina really telegraphs her 3F, but makes up for it with a high, distant jump. As spectacular as it is, as I've said, I don't think Carolina would be capable of intricate steps into her 3F as it would kill the speed she requires to vault up (if there are instances where she has, feel free to point them out).
It is you who struggle to understand clearly discernible facts given you on a plate. Those are CoP competition, really, believe me:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QmAhFM5v80&t=1m9s 2005 CoC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZdQfX1W7c8&t=1m30s 2005 Euros (this one has also creative exit and well-extended free leg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQi2HcUZFu0&t=1m6s 2005 Worlds
Unfortunately there are no all her performances on youtube from 2004-2006 but there is a lot of from her earlier career. Not just one or two great flips.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qP6JJcxLhw&t=1m33s Worlds 2000 (the set up is generally shorter than in case of Carolina who needs the whole rink to prepare and land the jump very closely to the barrier)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRf0syHORQA&t=1m28s 2001 Euros
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYPoEOSwWU&t=1m05s 2000 Euros (wonderful landing edge held for a long time with good free leg)
Her axel is also superior to Carolina's one. The set-up is ridiculously short with almost no crossovers and yet she gets more height on it and has beautiful flow out of the jump with extended free leg. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePYXpf4mKwE&t=1m29s
Irina would lose the speed on her lutzes and jump combinations, that's true, but not on her flips.
One is known to have flow, one is known to eek out jumps. Of course you can find contrary examples, but to say a B student who occasionally gets A is an A student is incorrect.
Irina will never get the kind of GOE Carolina can get.
Originally Posted by FlattFan
You can dislike her all you want, but Irina certainly didn't eek out her jumps, and by no means she's "known for it".
Irina's jumps never look particularly eked out (can you guys stop spelling it eek), flow or no flow. Besides, she did loop combos. Does anyone have good flow out of a loop combo? I can't think of any.
Back to the subject of the thread... I think another contender will be Adelina. I have always liked her but she is wildly inconsistent. Yesterday we saw her 67+ with a flawed program ("e" on 3Z and < on 3T). On EVERY other element, she got level 4 (where applicable) and at least +1.00 in GOE. If she is clean she can score 70+ and if she can improve her (already high) PCS over the summer it would not surprise me to see her score 72+ in the SP. I still don't think she is strong enough at this point to match Yuna in the LP but Adelina is generally headed in the right direction and I am excited to see how much she improves in the next few months.
Even when she put the 3T at the end of the combo, she came to a complete stop on ALL OF THEM. This is the girl who is known for her landing problem. A consistent problem, not just one or two times. I actually think she's fine. I don't dislike her. But I don't think she's that great a jumper everyone made her out to be. Her GOE should be in the negative for almost every single jumps (except loop and Sal)
And here is Midori's 2Lo-3Lo for anyone else: http://youtu.be/Wl3PelmX05M?t=47s