ptf, you've criticised Butyrskaya for just having a World title at 27 that's unremarkable (saying "that was it for her" as if she should have replicated her success at Worlds and the Olympics at 28 & 29), and then decided to use Shizuka as some comparatively prodigious "late bloomer"... which is a stupid comparison to begin with considering you're not even using the right numbers in your argument:
Arakawa won her World title at 22 -- so I don't get where the heck you get that she started first hitting her prime and became a medal contender only at 24. And you're saying Butyrskaya started to hit her prime in '96 when she came 2nd at Sparkassen and 3rd at Europeans... okay, sure... Shizuka, by that comparison then, started to hit her prime when she placed 2nd at 4CC and 4th at Skate America when she was 20 years old -- heck, let's say a year later when she won another 4CC silver, a bronze at NHK and made the GPF at 21 years old -- still not even close to 24! I know you're used to throwing out random numbers, but come on...
Originally Posted by pangtongfan
Shizuka didn't do well in her teens, gained momentum with GP and 4CC medals at the beginning of her 20's, but then lost it and wasn't even able to qualify for the 2002 Olympics, and then gained it back with a World title (the only time she's ever been a podium contender at Worlds -- albeit an excellent performance), followed by a dismal Worlds the following year, and then getting it back together again for an Olympic title. Shizuka is indeed a better skater overall than Maria (I never said she wasn't), but her career has been mercurial and she's hardly this "multi-title threat late bloomer" that you suggest she is. There's nothing to say Arakawa wouldn't have placed 9th at competitions after 2006 Olympics. Saying she had the potential to be a multi-title winner is speculative BS, especially when in her three outings at Worlds she was 8th, 1st and 9th.
In the context of this thread, it is very hard for Kostner to rival a clean Kim so if Kostner never won another Worlds or the Olympics it would be asinine/unfair to insult her as having "only 1 World title and that was it for her" (the way it was hard for Butyrskaya to rival a strong Kwan/Slutskaya after her World title win). It would disregard the fact that (like in Butyrskaya's case) Kostner was indeed the cleanest skater at the Worlds she won, and (like in Butyrskaya's case) discredits the fine skater she is and career she's had, and (like in many cases) makes you just come off like a sad, pathetic jerk. Although you're not exactly a Kostner fan, so I can totally picture you eventually doing that; although I suppose not being a jerk is the least of your priorities, apparently.
As for my arguments being shot down by "all" - LOL, you mean you and a few others who clearly have it in for Chan no matter how he does, right? - well duh, of course I'm fine with disagreeing with your vitriolic, unwavering, and shamelessly biased opinions. I could list sweeping generalizations, false statements, and boorish, nasty things you've said about other skaters, but I wouldn't want to bore you with another "long string".
loop's point is similar with flip (her only jump that over 80% success rate)
Originally Posted by rallycairn
The 70% rule has been created, which reduces the deduction for the lack of the jump.(this season, more than half of the her jump was UR)
GOE factor was decreased to 70%.
3axel basis points increased again. and only for 3a, goe factor=100%
what do you hoping to other rules? get rid of GOE? get rid of edge call? A rule that give 90% base point on the UR jump? Lowering the basis of 3lz again, be equal point with 3f?
I wonder how the rules change more, it becomes be fair for mao
it seems like some treat mao like humor a baby.
And do not worry, Korea Federation has never suggest any rules,
japan federation has successed many times.
Rule can be more favorable to her, it'll be revise.
Six Point Zero
Kostner and Asada are better able to close the gap with Kim at Sochi in part because of the SP. With the new rules after Vancouver--GOE factoring, no spiral sequence, solo 3Axel--and the fact that they've been able to narrow the PCS gap in Yuna's absence, it means Yuna can no longer build a decisive lead in the SP and needs a strong and clean long program to dominate. Interestingly enough, that's exactly what she's done in her comeback season. It used to be very rare for Yuna to do a clean LP, but she's already done it twice this season (2 out 3 competitions). It's her strength in the long program that enabled her to win by the margin she usually did in the past. She made up her for her loss of dominance in the short by going clean in the free skate. So she has adapted to the new competitive field and has found a new winning strategy.
Having done her two cleanest long programs in her biggest competitions (Olympics, Worlds before Olympics) shows to me, at least, that Yuna knows how to focus and deliver when she needs to and wants to and is able to repeat it. That's not the case for Mao or Carolina, who are still hit-or-miss when put under pressure in the big stage of Worlds or the Olympics. This is her biggest advantage going into Sochi, and what will make it very difficult (though not impossible) for her rivals to catch up to her. It's also very unnerving mentally for her rivals because that means they can't count on Yuna to make mistakes to open the door for them, putting a lot more pressure on them to go as clean as possible with a very tough jump layout.
Granted, they're all under pressure to deliver clean programs in the short and the free in order to win. But such pressure is strongest on Mao and Carolina. If Yuna skates last in Sochi, then Carolina and Mao will feel the need to target a 150+ score in the free to win. I'm sure that will weigh quite heavily in their mind, no matter how well they do next season in the Grand Prix.
On the Ice
That's what I meant. Maybe I should have said it more precisely, I'm sorry for that. The comparison with D/W and V/M is really accurate. These two pairs and Mao with Kim were/are dominant for some time in their respective disciplines so all these people deserve to have an olympic gold medal. I'll be happy for V/M and Yuna if they repeat as olympic champions but I would be extremely sad for D/W and Mao for not being able to show what they can do on that one specific evening (well, maybe 2 evenings). I'd love D/W and Mao to win in Sochi. It would be even better if everyone showed their best with Mao and D/W being a tiny bit better so that they could claim the most important title not in the way Shizuka did. I wish they will show they all can be better than Kim and V/M even if the latters still bring it.
Originally Posted by Olympia
To Krislite: That is my mentality, sure, and you may think it's stupid but I just want everyone to get what they deserve. If Mao's and Kim's chances were both 50% at getting the gold I would like Mao to get the gold even though I love both Mao and Kim just because Kim already has one. You may not feel this way, probably also because I assume your favourite is Kim, while right now I love Mao a tiny bit more. I didn't mean that Kim is depriving anyone of a gold medal. Again, sorry for not saying this one clearly .
One more thing - true, now Kim can't capitilize so much on SP but on the other hand I also don't see Mao or Carolina having a monstruos advantage over Yuna after SP, like the one Yuna had after Vancouver SP.
About changes of rules: were there any significant changes right before Vancouver or Torino?
This is why we can't have nice things