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Thread: Can Evgeni Plushenko win the 2014 Olympic title?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Obviously lysacek was world champion which sandhu never was but that was in the post torino Olympics years before Vancouver. So you have that status of lysacek but he was built unduly into a rival when he was not and then he bailed from Torino worlds and then plushenko bailed from torino worlds so there could be no kind of rematch but then its very obvious with the system who would have won but takahashi may have beat them both because he actually left the Vancouver Olympics with some positives! LOL!

    I am saying Joubert even as a chaser was more of a rival. I agree he was a chaser but beating Plushenko was in his sights like EUros 2004 or Euros SP in 2005. Joubert could do very well if Plushenko made errors.
    I think Joubert's Euro win was well deserved (and it was rare to see Plushenko so off his game). I think, like Lambiel, if he were more consistent, he could have definitely challenged Plushenko because his jumps when he was on were some of the loveliest I've ever seen with a flowing edge on the landing, and his basics were (and still are) lovely. It's unfortunate that with IJS his artistry/choreography diminished and he focused on the jumps (didn't help that he kept doing the same Matrix program, either). It's kind of weird now that his artistic marks are so low, even when he skates relatively clean -- you don't really see PCS marks drop for such a successful skater. Kinda disappointing that he's choosing Gladiator (another manly anthem) as next season's program... but hopefully David Wilson can bring the elegance back in his skating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Hello, Bluebonnet!

    Sorry, let's talk is right. "Yag's main influence in fs history is being a Plu rival".
    I wasn't expecting a Plushy uber to say anything differently. But obviously, you are totally wrong on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Bluebonnet is joking. Few days ago Bluebonnet said, Dai is the most artistry skater today.
    You have completely read my post in a wrong way. Where did I say "Dai is the most artistry skater today"?!

    The only time I've said close to this meaning about him was this:

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...ht=#post732465

    So I suspect you have taken the idea from my this post. I've said that he was crowned as such. I didn't say and didn't mean to say that it was from me. It was actually from his ubers. If you ask me, I think Takahashi is an artistic skater. But his artistic ability range is quite narrow. He is good at a certain type of artistry and that certain type alone. If any, I think Jeremy Abbott is the most artistic skater in today's competitive skating.

    Secondly, the most artistic skater of today doesn't mean the most artistic skater ever. These are two completely different concepts.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Yagudin was one of the first skaters to really have the total package, with quads included. He's basically the technical ability of Plushenko, but with better artistry/choreography. I loved watching Yagudin skate.. it never felt like he was simply going through a checklist of elements/jumps, and his performances were always pleasant to watch from both a technical and artistic standpoint, and he had excellent musicality.
    So true!

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    Oh boy, back to Yagudin again? Why oh Why, I only see Yagudin mentioned in a Plushenko thread? Doesn't this guy deserve some LOVE and RESPECT by having a thread, or multiple threads, dedicated to him? Where are those Yagudin fans when you really need them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilywang View Post
    Oh boy, back to Yagudin again? Why oh Why, I only see Yagudin mentioned in a Plushenko thread? Doesn't this guy deserve some LOVE and RESPECT by having a thread, or multiple threads, dedicated to him? Where are those Yagudin fans when you really need them?
    We are here, ready to worship him !
    Yeah, Yagudin is so respected that his fan fest thread has 14 replies and fans keep talking about him like he were dead: Yagudin was, Yagudin did, etc. Did you check his videos recently, some of them are very exciting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    We are here, ready to worship him !
    Yeah, Yagudin is so respected that his fan fest thread has 14 replies and fans keep talking about him like he were dead: Yagudin was, Yagudin did, etc. Did you check his videos recently, some of them are very exciting?
    Point me in their direction! I will always love Yagudin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    No, his influence was from his skating rather than the rival thing.
    Don't worry. Even if it was, you, i.e.Yag fans, buried it long time ago :
    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    We are here, ready to worship him !
    Yeah, Yagudin is so respected that his fan fest thread has 14 replies and fans keep talking about him like he were dead: Yagudin was, Yagudin did, etc. Did you check his videos recently, some of them are very exciting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I think Takahashi is an artistic skater. But his artistic ability range is quite narrow. He is good at a certain type of artistry and that certain type alone.
    Like Stroll and Moonight Sonata is one and the same type.

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    So after 262 comments we have the answerS to the original question: Maybe, Yes, No, Don't know.........ANYBODY WANT TO GO BACK AND DO A TALLY TO SEE WHICH ANSWER.......WON.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilywang View Post
    Oh boy, back to Yagudin again? Why oh Why, I only see Yagudin mentioned in a Plushenko thread?
    It doesn't help that Plushy ubers answered back with the longest post/posts listing all the detailed "reasons" that Yagudin shouldn't be the best.

    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    We are here, ready to worship him !
    Actually, my reason was only to defend him where he should be defended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    It doesn't help that Plushy ubers answered back with the longest post/posts listing all the detailed "reasons" that Yagudin shouldn't be the best.



    Actually, my reason was only to defend him where he should be defended.
    Same as plushyfan defends Plushenko

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    Actually, my reason was only to defend him where he should be defended.
    What????? You're not worshiping King Yagudin??? Plushyubers will defeat us, they are more effective, better organized and 100% devoted to Plushy !

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    What happens when someone wanders in here who likes both of them, who ubers their battle and understands that neither could be what they are without the other?

    *shrugs and looks at her collection of videos of both of them*

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    What happens when someone wanders in here who likes both of them, who ubers their battle and understands that neither could be what they are without the other?

    *shrugs and looks at her collection of videos of both of them*
    He/She can watch some Yagudin vs Plushenko montages on Youtube. Or some legendary NBC fluffs about their rivalry, starring Plush, Yags, Mishin, TAT and Lenin .

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I think Joubert's Euro win was well deserved (and it was rare to see Plushenko so off his game). I think, like Lambiel, if he were more consistent, he could have definitely challenged Plushenko because his jumps when he was on were some of the loveliest I've ever seen with a flowing edge on the landing, and his basics were (and still are) lovely. It's unfortunate that with IJS his artistry/choreography diminished and he focused on the jumps (didn't help that he kept doing the same Matrix program, either). It's kind of weird now that his artistic marks are so low, even when he skates relatively clean -- you don't really see PCS marks drop for such a successful skater. Kinda disappointing that he's choosing Gladiator (another manly anthem) as next season's program... but hopefully David Wilson can bring the elegance back in his skating.
    I know this is terribly OT, but as a Brian fan I have to ask - David Wilson? Is he working with him? On what - the new SP? I'm very curious, so if you know something - anything! - I'd be really grateful! Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    He/She can watch some Yagudin vs Plushenko montages on Youtube. Or some legendary NBC fluffs about their rivalry, starring Plush, Yags, Mishin, TAT and Lenin .
    Lenin?!? Do I even want to know.... ?

    Meanwhile, for those who want to celebrate Yagudin - rather than merely use him to disparage Plushy - there's always this thread:

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...Alexei-Yagudin

    Though You, ciocio, need scarcely be told that as it is of your own creation. But as a general piece of info to others...

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