04-30-2013, 11:38 AM
leave no stone unturned
I hope Joubert uses the Inception Lp!Is there hope?
04-30-2013, 11:53 AM
I wish! (Sniff!) But he seems to be set on keeping Gladiator...
Originally Posted by seniorita
04-30-2013, 12:01 PM
04-30-2013, 12:13 PM
Sorry, if i was wrong. I could not remember exactly what you wrote on Dai. Abbot? He is always the same, is not exciting.
Originally Posted by Bluebonnet
Yes, this is what I'm doing.
Originally Posted by yaya124
04-30-2013, 12:15 PM
Originally Posted by ciocio
04-30-2013, 12:25 PM
My pleasure. I'm knowledgeable from Evgeni's book: Another show , you can download. http://www.mediafire.com/?z9ziocao3m3a1
Originally Posted by LRK
If you have time, it's worth reading. A little part of his greatness.
04-30-2013, 12:37 PM
It's impressive how many 6.0s Plushenko had... but let's not forget that several of those were from Russian Nationals (I mean it's not like he's ever been overscored at Russian Nationals, right?), and the majority of the rest were from international competitions that weren't against Yagudin, and many were from the years after 2002 where the judging panel had 11-14 judges, so greater chances to earn 6.0.
Originally Posted by plushyfan
And unlike Yagudin, he never scored 6.0s at the only Olympics that the two faced off against. If you're comparing age, well, Evgeni was the reigning World Champion so it's not like he hadn't reached his peak as Yagudin had. That was really the one competition that decided the whole "who's better" thing, and Plushenko didn't even come close to beating Yagudin in either of the two segments. Yeah, he had a big mistake in the SP, but he also lost the FS too by a considerable margin... I mean look at the scores http://www.icecalc.com/events/owg200...lts/SEG002.HTM
Regardless, I don't think people measure Yagudin's prowess based on the number of 6.0's the judges gave him rather than the quality of skating and artistry - and not just great jumping - that he brought to the ice. I'd say Plushenko's certainly the better jumper of the two, but in terms of all-round skater, Yagudin definitely gets the nod from me. To me, his 2002 Olympic FS is the best in the past 20 years.
04-30-2013, 02:10 PM
You are fanny. So Plushy's 70 6.0s do not mean quality skating, only good jumps? OMG! But Yagudin's 3 6.0s are everything. Plushy got many 6.0s from international judges. But I have a question, why Yag didn't receive 6.0s on Rus Nats???? And you also don't forget, Plushy received his first 6.0 when he was 16 y.o, in Japan, not in Rus Nat. But if you love Yagudin's program in SLC, do it! but you don't deny what is obvious.
Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy
04-30-2013, 02:19 PM
Of course yagudin beat plushenko by a big margin in the fs! Plushenko was trying to salvage his Olympics and going all out and tried a 4/3/3 but I am pretty sure the credit was all for the 4/3 because of the major stepout on the last triple loop in that combo. Also did triple axel triple flip seq. While yagudin was replacing an axel with a salchow. So plushenko was trying to redeem himself and go all out while yagudin even though he did 2 quads and everything scaled down a little. So you can't ignore that plushenko wasn't seen as 6.0 worthy with his fall in the sp and mistakes in jump combo and also not beig seen as good as yaguidn there.
Crap! Talking about yagudin! Plushenko threads are used by people to talk about him to say plushenko is a lesser skater.
04-30-2013, 02:31 PM
Yes. Honestly, I like Yagudin's skating. But he has 4 good years, 1998-2002, under the old system. Plushy has 15 years, under the old and the new system, too. He could win in last year, he able to meet the requirements even today. Some people are funny.
Originally Posted by gmyers
04-30-2013, 03:47 PM
04-30-2013, 04:29 PM
You are dreaming. Yagudin had not even hit his peak in 2002.
Originally Posted by bestskate8
04-30-2013, 04:41 PM
04-30-2013, 04:56 PM
Wait. When did he hit his peak?
Originally Posted by Jammers
04-30-2013, 05:31 PM
I'm saying if not for his injury that ended his career Yagudin would have continued to get better. He was only 21 when he won in SLC IN 2002.
Originally Posted by Mathman