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Thread: Can Evgeni Plushenko win the 2014 Olympic title?

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    I hope Joubert uses the Inception Lp!Is there hope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seniorita View Post
    I hope Joubert uses the Inception Lp!Is there hope?
    I wish! (Sniff!) But he seems to be set on keeping Gladiator...

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    You have your opinion, and I've said mine. I was talking about my opinion of Yagudin, which I haven't written in this thread at all (so I don't get why you're saying I'm writing many times thus far). Your personal opinion is that Yagudin's only influence on skating is being Plushenko's rival, which is inaccurate (in my opinion). There was a lot of back and forth wins between them (Yagudin winning the majority of them if he skated clean), but Yagudin's technical and artistic capabilities dominated the entire field.

    You talk about 6.0's? How about 6.0's from the 2002 Olympics -- the most important competition between Plushenko and Yagudin -- which Yagudin easily won, and artistically dominated Plushenko... three 6.0's to Plushenko's zero 6.0's.
    Oh, yes. That was the most important competition, where Plushy did a big mistake in short Porogram. But if you want to be correct, Yag wasn't the dominant skater. So, Yagudin had 3 6.0s in total? That is not too convincing to Plushy 70 6.0s. And you always want to forget, Plushy was almost three years younger......you compare when they were 15, 16, 17, 18 y.o. etc ...

    he can skate like an American, but that isn't suits for him in my opinion. he can't be passionate to his music..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9gyjnsLeIw the choreographer is Zhulin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bluebonnet View Post
    I wasn't expecting a Plushy uber to say anything differently. But obviously, you are totally wrong on this one.



    You have completely read my post in a wrong way. Where did I say "Dai is the most artistry skater today"?!

    The only time I've said close to this meaning about him was this:

    http://www.goldenskate.com/forum/sho...ht=#post732465

    So I suspect you have taken the idea from my this post. I've said that he was crowned as such. I didn't say and didn't mean to say that it was from me. It was actually from his ubers. If you ask me, I think Takahashi is an artistic skater. But his artistic ability range is quite narrow. He is good at a certain type of artistry and that certain type alone. If any, I think Jeremy Abbott is the most artistic skater in today's competitive skating.

    Secondly, the most artistic skater of today doesn't mean the most artistic skater ever. These are two completely different concepts. :
    Sorry, if i was wrong. I could not remember exactly what you wrote on Dai. Abbot? He is always the same, is not exciting.

    Quote Originally Posted by yaya124 View Post
    Same as plushyfan defends Plushenko
    Yes, this is what I'm doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciocio View Post
    He/She can watch some Yagudin vs Plushenko montages on Youtube. Or some legendary NBC fluffs about their rivalry, starring Plush, Yags, Mishin, TAT and Lenin .

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRK View Post
    And I want to cheer! (Personally, I hate exercise, which makes it quite funny, actually... ) Yay! And so long as he's happy.

    ETA - And I was a tad too quick to post - as I hit the button I realised that I wanted to thank you so much plushyfan for keeping us informed! Oh, and since I'm on the topic, I also want to thank you for posting about 2005 Worlds' - knowing all that made me feel quite weepy, and I finished off by watching his SP - with BESP commentary, of course! "A look of defiance."
    My pleasure. I'm knowledgeable from Evgeni's book: Another show , you can download. http://www.mediafire.com/?z9ziocao3m3a1
    If you have time, it's worth reading. A little part of his greatness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Oh, yes. That was the most important competition, where is Plushy did a big mistake in short Porogram. But if you want to be correct, Yag wasn't the dominant skater. So, Yagudin had 3 6.0s in total? That is not too convincing to Plushy 70 6.0s. And you always want to forget, Plushy was almost three years younger......you compare when they were 15, 16, 17, 18 y.o. etc ...
    It's impressive how many 6.0s Plushenko had... but let's not forget that several of those were from Russian Nationals (I mean it's not like he's ever been overscored at Russian Nationals, right?), and the majority of the rest were from international competitions that weren't against Yagudin, and many were from the years after 2002 where the judging panel had 11-14 judges, so greater chances to earn 6.0.

    And unlike Yagudin, he never scored 6.0s at the only Olympics that the two faced off against. If you're comparing age, well, Evgeni was the reigning World Champion so it's not like he hadn't reached his peak as Yagudin had. That was really the one competition that decided the whole "who's better" thing, and Plushenko didn't even come close to beating Yagudin in either of the two segments. Yeah, he had a big mistake in the SP, but he also lost the FS too by a considerable margin... I mean look at the scores http://www.icecalc.com/events/owg200...lts/SEG002.HTM

    Regardless, I don't think people measure Yagudin's prowess based on the number of 6.0's the judges gave him rather than the quality of skating and artistry - and not just great jumping - that he brought to the ice. I'd say Plushenko's certainly the better jumper of the two, but in terms of all-round skater, Yagudin definitely gets the nod from me. To me, his 2002 Olympic FS is the best in the past 20 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    It's impressive how many 6.0s Plushenko had... but let's not forget that several of those were from Russian Nationals (I mean it's not like he's ever been overscored at Russian Nationals, right?), and the majority of the rest were from international competitions that weren't against Yagudin, and many were from the years after 2002 where the judging panel had 11-14 judges, so greater chances to earn 6.0.

    And unlike Yagudin, he never scored 6.0s at the only Olympics that the two faced off against. If you're comparing age, well, Evgeni was the reigning World Champion so it's not like he hadn't reached his peak as Yagudin had. That was really the one competition that decided the whole "who's better" thing, and Plushenko didn't even come close to beating Yagudin in either of the two segments. Yeah, he had a big mistake in the SP, but he also lost the FS too by a considerable margin... I mean look at the scores http://www.icecalc.com/events/owg200...lts/SEG002.HTM

    Regardless, I don't think people measure Yagudin's prowess based on the number of 6.0's the judges gave him rather than the quality of skating and artistry - and not just great jumping - that he brought to the ice. I'd say Plushenko's certainly the better jumper of the two, but in terms of all-round skater, Yagudin definitely gets the nod from me. To me, his 2002 Olympic FS is the best in the past 20 years.
    You are fanny. So Plushy's 70 6.0s do not mean quality skating, only good jumps? OMG! But Yagudin's 3 6.0s are everything. Plushy got many 6.0s from international judges. But I have a question, why Yag didn't receive 6.0s on Rus Nats???? And you also don't forget, Plushy received his first 6.0 when he was 16 y.o, in Japan, not in Rus Nat. But if you love Yagudin's program in SLC, do it! but you don't deny what is obvious.

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    Of course yagudin beat plushenko by a big margin in the fs! Plushenko was trying to salvage his Olympics and going all out and tried a 4/3/3 but I am pretty sure the credit was all for the 4/3 because of the major stepout on the last triple loop in that combo. Also did triple axel triple flip seq. While yagudin was replacing an axel with a salchow. So plushenko was trying to redeem himself and go all out while yagudin even though he did 2 quads and everything scaled down a little. So you can't ignore that plushenko wasn't seen as 6.0 worthy with his fall in the sp and mistakes in jump combo and also not beig seen as good as yaguidn there.

    Crap! Talking about yagudin! Plushenko threads are used by people to talk about him to say plushenko is a lesser skater.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Of course yagudin beat plushenko by a big margin in the fs! Plushenko was trying to salvage his Olympics and going all out and tried a 4/3/3 but I am pretty sure the credit was all for the 4/3 because of the major stepout on the last triple loop in that combo. Also did triple axel triple flip seq. While yagudin was replacing an axel with a salchow. So plushenko was trying to redeem himself and go all out while yagudin even though he did 2 quads and everything scaled down a little. So you can't ignore that plushenko wasn't seen as 6.0 worthy with his fall in the sp and mistakes in jump combo and also not beig seen as good as yaguidn there.

    Crap! Talking about yagudin! Plushenko threads are used by people to talk about him to say plushenko is a lesser skater.
    Yes. Honestly, I like Yagudin's skating. But he has 4 good years, 1998-2002, under the old system. Plushy has 15 years, under the old and the new system, too. He could win in last year, he able to meet the requirements even today. Some people are funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    It's impressive how many 6.0s Plushenko had... but let's not forget that several of those were from Russian Nationals (I mean it's not like he's ever been overscored at Russian Nationals, right?), and the majority of the rest were from international competitions that weren't against Yagudin, and many were from the years after 2002 where the judging panel had 11-14 judges, so greater chances to earn 6.0.

    And unlike Yagudin, he never scored 6.0s at the only Olympics that the two faced off against. If you're comparing age, well, Evgeni was the reigning World Champion so it's not like he hadn't reached his peak as Yagudin had. That was really the one competition that decided the whole "who's better" thing, and Plushenko didn't even come close to beating Yagudin in either of the two segments. Yeah, he had a big mistake in the SP, but he also lost the FS too by a considerable margin... I mean look at the scores http://www.icecalc.com/events/owg200...lts/SEG002.HTM

    Regardless, I don't think people measure Yagudin's prowess based on the number of 6.0's the judges gave him rather than the quality of skating and artistry - and not just great jumping - that he brought to the ice. I'd say Plushenko's certainly the better jumper of the two, but in terms of all-round skater, Yagudin definitely gets the nod from me. To me, his 2002 Olympic FS is the best in the past 20 years.
    PLEASE watch Plushenko 2011-2013 and compare to Yagudin 2002 or better to Yagudin today
    Plushenko surpass him long time ago, but his fans still live in 2002.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    PLEASE watch Plushenko 2011-2013 and compare to Yagudin 2002 or better to Yagudin today
    Plushenko surpass him long time ago, but his fans still live in 2002.
    You are dreaming. Yagudin had not even hit his peak in 2002.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    PLEASE watch Plushenko 2011-2013 and compare to Yagudin 2002 or better to Yagudin today
    Plushenko surpass him long time ago, but his fans still live in 2002.
    Plushenko 2013 isn't probably the best example seeing as how the only skating this year 2013 that we've seen from Plushenko is him injured with no quad and two major SP errors at Europeans.

    The point wasn't whether Yagudin in 2002 is as good as Plushenko 2011-2013, it was at the most critical competition between the two of them, Plushenko lost. And lost definitively.

    To say compare him to Yagudin today is as ridiculous as saying 4 years from now "Compare Fernandez/Hanyu to Plushenko 2014, or better yet compare them to a retired Plushenko today" - are you also going to compare Plushenko to a retired Stojko or Lambiel. How about we compare Plushenko to a retired Buttle, who still beat "Plushenko 2011-2013" in their last head-to-head just last year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jammers View Post
    Yagudin had not even hit his peak in 2002.
    Wait. When did he hit his peak?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Wait. When did he hit his peak?
    I'm saying if not for his injury that ended his career Yagudin would have continued to get better. He was only 21 when he won in SLC IN 2002.

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