Now the thread is not about plushenko winning in Sochi in 2014 but plushenko beating yagudin in washington dc in 2003 because yagudin was only getting better. So my theory on how plushenko beats yagudin in 2003 or 2004 and Torino or whatever is that in 2004 or 2005 there is a shocking defection and plushenko leaves mishin and he goes to America and becomes Lori Nichols project!!
Look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB2PDzouzSY the Russian experts's, journalist's, skaters's opinion: Plushenko should have won that competition....
In this forum the people express their opinion, -what are stereotyps- based on very little information and inaccurate about Plushy.. That's what I react. For example, I do not think, anybody knew that Plushy has approx 70 6.0s presentations marks., but Yag's has only 3.
He got two more in the LP. He got four for his LP at the Olympics. I don't know how many he has overall, but we also have to take into account the fact that 6.0s were hard to come by back then. In the last couple of years of 6.0 scoring the judges were a lot more generous, especially at national championships. (The reason I know this is that back in the day Yagudin fans used to tease Michelle Kwan fans because Yagudin had more 6.0s in international competitions than Michelle. )
Edited to add: By the way (I know everyone on this Plushenko thread wants to know this ), Michelle got a total of 57 6.0s. 42 of them came at U.S. Nationals. She even picked up a couple at 2005 Nationals (not a great performance). This was the last competition ever held under ordinal scoring in the U.S., so the judges figured that this was their last chance to unload all those 6.0s that they still had hidden under their hats.
Last edited by Mathman; 05-01-2013 at 09:17 AM.
I think under the old system 5,7-5,8 were for artistic impression..+ 0,2 and 0,3 points for perfect jumps= 6.0 So CSG is weird with his explanation.
Finally you succedded in finding the right word for your rants- ridiculous. So, comparing Plu of 2003 with the modern field is not ridiculous. But comparing today's Yag with Plu is. Chan ubers' hypocrisy is so plain and not innovative at all.To say compare him to Yagudin today is as ridiculous as saying 4 years from now "Compare Fernandez/Hanyu to Plushenko 2014, or better yet compare them to a retired Plushenko today"
Continue your good work, Plushyfan and the co. !
I was scanning through the chatter and some of it does not make sense at all to me but I don't have a lot of time to read in detail. I thought this was about Sochi and Plushy's chances of winning? I think he can win or medal but a lot has to do on his health and how well the complete skaters skate - the Japanese men, Patrick, Dai, Hanyu, Javier and the Americans who qualify. If they skate clean they will win (maybe not the Americans). They must have a quad though of course. I don't think we will see a clean triple program win - everyone would have to splat horribly for that too happen.
Isn't that entertaining?!
Plushenko of 2002 would have beaten Plush of 2006, Plush of 2010, Lysacek of 2010 and probably anyone in Sochi, so there is no point in speculations mentioning what if Plush, Yags or whoever wasnt injured.