05-14-2013, 08:09 PM
Yagudin 2 quads 1 3a original plan 2 quads 2 3a
05-14-2013, 09:19 PM
I don't see what 2002 has to do with Plushenko's 2014 chances. Every judge put him 2nd in the LP in SLC. Case closed.
05-14-2013, 10:38 PM
Well every plushenko thread becomes about yagudin and 2002! Lol!!
Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy
05-15-2013, 01:21 AM
Yes, because the members did not want to admit Plushy's greatness ... they say "yes, yes, he is good, but Yagudin is better." But if anyone knows every programs of Plush, SP's, LP's, exhibitions, it is clear that Plush is better in all aspects of skating. Only his popularity is smaller here, but if you know this information, you will have idea about reality..
Originally Posted by gmyers
https://twitter.com/EvgeniPlushenko 108 399 followers
https://twitter.com/yagudinofficial - 5004 followers
https://twitter.com/AlexeiNews -145 followers
05-15-2013, 02:56 AM
^ Yagudin was very popular, too, in 1998-2002. There were no Facebook (started in 2004) and no Twitter (started in 2006) back then, but on the skating boards Yagudin fans would tease Michelle Kwan fans because the Yagudin fan sites had the most members.
THose were the good old days. If you were a Kwan fan you could troll TaraWorld and SashaFans and post how great Michelle was, until you got banned.
05-15-2013, 03:03 AM
True! Very exciting times! Yagudin was indeed a very popular skater and I think he still is, but now Plushy grabs the attention because he's still competing.
05-15-2013, 03:10 AM
Who's the queen? Yuna Kim has 661,441 followers on Twitter.
05-15-2013, 03:50 AM
05-15-2013, 08:56 AM
I think it has a lot to do with what country you skate for; there are some diehards out there for popularity.
05-15-2013, 08:59 AM
So you want skaters, such as Patrick Chan, who has steady quad combo win more convincingly than before?
Originally Posted by gmyers
You cannot really compare a skater whose career has unfortunately been cut short with a skater who has a longlasting career. I've seen almost all Plushenko's programs. Yagudin was definitely better in artistic abilities, in posture, and in emotion. Plushenko is better in jumps compare with Yagudin. One thing I do know is that they both are like ironman. I adore both of them, and so do many other skating fans!
Originally Posted by plushyfan
05-15-2013, 09:44 AM
This is going to be a big ask considering the guys are now attempting more difficult programs as a whole... 2 quads and 2 axels is much harder to execute when you've got complex spins, harder choreo/transitions, and footwork to think about. I'm hoping the OGM winner is clean or near clean (whoever he is), but I'm anticipating errors given the pressure of the event and inconsistencies in the field as a whole. In the past season, nobody has been truly consistent... not that it would matter because next season some skaters might be more or less consistent than this past season. I think certain skaters though have planted the idea of being of being a gold medal favourite though in this past season, like Hanyu and Fernandez, and others have positioned themselves as potential medal threats like Ten, Reynolds, and a returning Plushenko.
Originally Posted by Mathman
05-15-2013, 10:15 AM
05-15-2013, 10:27 AM
05-15-2013, 11:18 AM
Yup, I'm sure the judges believed they scored him correctly at Worlds because of how they placed him in the FS, because they credited Ten's great performance with a huge SP score and a huge freeskate score (ranked comfortably higher than Chan's) that was 21 points higher than his previous PB. Not to mention, Ten doubled two triples, and Chan had a lead in the SP. To the crowd and fans it matters that Ten won (and he should have), because visibly he was much better than Chan in the LP, but points-wise it wasn't going to amount to Ten winning. I think the judges are also fine with it because it was Denis Ten, who had never had decent results until that point -- and if a known top competitor like Hanyu/Fernandez/Takahashi had skated as well as Ten but still lost to Chan, the judges would have a lot more to answer for (it isn't right, but it tends to be the way things are with consistently inferior skaters who suddenly skate exceptionally well).
I doubt Chan will get lower PCS because of Worlds (and one assumes he and the other guys won't skate as poorly as at Worlds in Soch); I predict his PCS will probably be low-40's SP/low 90's FS for decent skates and 44-45 & 93-94 for clean skates). If Plushenko does a quad in his SP I can picture him scoring about about 43-44 points for PCS (so a few points higher than Euros 2012 where he had no quad in an otherwise clean SP), and getting about 91-92 points for PCS if he has a clean FS with two quads. I don't think the judges will give Plushenko 45+ PCS in the SP and 94+ PCS in the FS just because he's on home ice.
What will hold back Plushenko from getting maxed out PCS should he go clean is the fact that, unlike Euros 2012 (where his main competitors were Gachinski and Brezina and an inconsistent Fernandez), in Sochi Plushenko would be competing against skaters who have better programs and consistently better PCS than him (including a much improved Fernandez compared to 2012), so the judges will accordingly not max out his PCS even if he goes clean and others have yet to skate, because there's the potential for others to skate better (to use 6.0 rhetoric, they give him 5.9 for presentation because a clean Takahashi/Chan could top that... or they give 5.9 for technical elements because a clean Fernandez/Reynolds should get 6.0 technically).
It's not like when Yagudin was his only real competition -- there are about 4 or 5 skaters who have the potential to be technically superior and/or have higher PCS that could push Plushenko off the podium should they skate well. Thus, him actually winning gold is even less of a chance unless all of those other guys bomb (which actually happened in Van 2010 -- a cleaner Takahashi could have pushed him to 3rd, and a clean Lambiel/Chan would have pushed him off the podium). One thing he does have over the other guys though is his consistency, so he could possibly go cleaner, but these days a cleaner program isn't necessarily a win if your competitors have higher scoring potential and thus more buffer room for errors than you do.
05-15-2013, 01:00 PM
Yagudin was very popular, but Plushy was also very popular in 2002. Maybe you know the North-American poularity, only. And of course, Yagudin is very popular now, but Plushy is more popular, your explanation is false. Plushy is competing, yes, one year two competitions
Originally Posted by ciocio