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I just looked at the official results and realized Chan was 5th in the free skate! Wow! When was the last time that happened?!
Japan Open 2012 Patrick finished 6th place and Daisuke won that.
Overall, Chan is certainly one of the best skaters in the World. I think he felt entitled to win over Ten, which was arrogant of him, but I don't think he can argue beating the other guys when they don't step up, and that's a matter of those guys not displaying their potential at their best. It really depends on the day too -- I mean look at Chan's Worlds SP and then his WTT SP; look at Fernandez's Euros SP and then his World SP; look at Hanyu's great SPs in the season and SP at Worlds. The field is vastly inconsistent, which shades of potential being met and other days where they bomb.
Sale and Pelletier were potentially cheated of a gold medal, because the French judge admitted to cheating and deliberately placing the Russians ahead in a 5-4 decision. Whether a different judge would have still given B/S the win or S/P the win is something we will never know. But saying B/S won the short as some arbitrary tiebreaker is BS, because as we know under 6.0 anyone in the top 3 after the SP, if the won the FS, would win overall... and with a non-cheating judge, that could have been S/P. Your tiebreaker is as arbitrary and biased as if I said "the tiebreaker should be to add up all the technical and artistic scores of the remaining judges in the FS and whichever team has a higher total should win" ... "oh and it happens to be S/P, look at that... no, it doesn't work like that. What happened was obviously to save face, but the reality is 4 (supposedly) non-cheating judges chose S/P and 4 (supposedly) non-cheating judges chose B/S.
Oh seriously, get over yourself. You're insulted because I grouped together the two skaters with the highest PCS in the men's field (heaven forbid! ). Generally, Chan has better skating skills/transitions/choreography, Takahashi has better interpretation/performance. I don't care how much you hate Chan or adore Takahashi, the vast majority of the figure skating world (and the judges' PCS marks) view Chan/Takahashi as PCS ("artistic") ideals that other skaters should be striving for. Chan's higher quality of skating (artistry on the blade) in general is rewarded more than Takahashi's greater expressiveness (artistry in expression) hence his consistent edge over Takahashi on PCS.
I am always serious. You keep repeating "Chan is a better skater than everyone else" but he is not. Your only proof and defence is "vast majority of fs world" but you give no evidence of where this "majority" was actually voted and calculated. You are not the vast majority of fs world. To bring judges' PCS as a proof is plain stupid because that is exactly what is being critisized in Chan's score and CoP in general. So, take your own advice and get over yourself until you have the real argument. Seriously.Oh seriously, get over yourself. ... Generally, Chan has better skating skills/transitions/choreography, Takahashi has better interpretation/performance. I don't care how much you hate Chan or adore Takahashi, the vast majority of the figure skating world (and the judges' PCS marks)...
I stopped going on GS Forum months ago but today I’m avoiding studying for an upcoming exam, so I decided to distract myself & see if things had (miraculously) changed; if the site moderators had actually weeded out some of the haters, whiners, bashers & ranters.
Maybe the skaters have tried to skate well this season, but are still saving their all for the Olympics? Fernandez was really good at the Europeans, but still not totally perfect. I hope that next season he will not put his all heart for defending that title, but will save his very best performances for the Olympics. I remember that Ilia Kulik had to withdraw from the Europeans because of an injury, and concentrated for the Olympics where he was really strong and in best condition. And of course peaking at the right time is really important.
I am always serious. You keep repeating "Chan is a better skater than everyone else" but he is not. Your only proof and defence is "vast majority of fs world" but you give no evidence of where this "majority" was actually voted and calculated. You are not the vast majority of fs world.
I just looked at the official results and realized Chan was 5th in the free skate!
By factored placements the final result would have been:
Takahashi 2
Aaron 4.5
Chan 5.5
Reynolds 6.5 (wins tie-break)
Mura 6.5
Abbott 8
I watched both long programs. Patrick Chan does so much "stuff" (I guess these are the transitions?) that are not really jumps or spins. He leaps, turns around, falls to his knee, does a little spin or a little single jump, that by the time he's ready to jump again after his first couple of quads, he's exhausted. But the judges don't care. Either it's fixed (i.e. the judges want him to win for some reason that they will overlook anything) or to them the "stuff" is really important, much more important than not falling. So, yes, Patrick fell numerous times, but look at how many times he fell to his knee like he was proposing to someone! Look at how many little single jumps he did with his arms in the air! Look at how many times he made a face and started to "run" across the ice!
My question is, if this is what the judges want, why is he the only guy smart enough to figure it out? Why are these other men worrying so hard about landing their jumps when they could win with a pile of hops and skips? Seriously.
Since Max was sixth in the SP and third in the FS, wouldn't he earn 6.0 factored placements (3 + 3)?
No, he is not. He is only judged as the one. Dai, Kozuka (at his best), Ten are much better at gliding, edging, with soaring lightness and ease.Chan is a better skater than everyone else.
You are saying that he is overscored every time when he gets higher marks for Performance than everyone else. Can't agree more.He is not, however, the best performer or the one with the most musicality.
That's what I thought on my way home thinking about Menshov's injury. I also though that it's so unfair that such a terrible accident happened with such a good person. Here Menshov's X-ray before and after the injury: http://instagram.com/p/YFS7z-B0L6/# He was in K&C on Day 3 with Team Russia, was wearing some kind of a bandage (don't know the right English term) where his arm was resting, but he "covered" all this stuff with the Russian flag, probably in order not to expose a painful view for everyone, and to cheer for his Team as well. Here he is at the banquet. Looks fine!: http://instagram.com/p/YDGBbvCBXJ/# Get better, Man!although how he's managed to avoid an injury from all these falls is a miracle