Oh, no, sky_fly20 doesn't have it only for Osmond. If you look into this poster's past post, you may find out that he/she doesn't have much nice and positive to say about anyone, including Marchei, Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Gosviani, Leonova, Miahara... As for respect for this poster's comments...well I don't have any respect any more.
World Team Trophy 2013 Ladies
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Oh, no, sky_fly20 doesn't have it only for Osmond. If you look into this poster's past post, you may find out that he/she doesn't have much nice and positive to say about anyone, including Marchei, Sotnikova, Tuktamysheva, Gosviani, Leonova, Miahara... As for respect for this poster's comments...well I don't have any respect any more.
Gracie fell on 3z+3t but got credit for a fully rotated 3t. Kaetlyn fell on 3t+3t, but her second jump was downgraded, so in actuality she did 3t+2t (fall). Gracie's total for jumps was 16.54; Kaetlyn's jump total was 13.69. Gracie got L4 on all her spins and footwork, for a total of 16.93 (with GOE). Kaetlyn had two L4 spins, one L3 spin and L3 footwork. Her total with GOE was 14.38. So Gracie had a 2.95 lead on jumps and a 2.55 lead on spins and footwork, for a total of 5.40. Kaetlyn seemed stunned by her fall on the combo and she wasn't her usual spritely self for the rest of the program, while Gracie gave a spirited performance of her SP for the first time this season. That's why her PCS score was slightly higher than Kaetlyn's.
Ashley's 3f+3t was underrotated, and she also underrotated her 2a, which she almost fell on. However, Mao fell on a DOWNGRADED 3a and she also underrotated the 3f in the combo; she received only 1.80 for the 3a<< and only 4.40 for the URd combo, and 6.01 for the 3lo. Ashley got 6.50 for the 3f+3t<, 1.10 for the 2a and 6.71 for the 3lo. So Mao's TES was lower than Ashley's, and she received a -1.00 for the fall. Ashley didn't get a fall deduction for the 2a, just a UR. Mao got higher PCS, but not enough to overtake Ashley.
The scoring is right on. Most of the ladies made mistakes, which is about par for this anticlimactic competition.
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LADIES SHORT PROGRAM - RESULT & VIDEOS (Updated)
1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 67.13 Short Program, 2nd Copy
2. Akiko SUZUKI (JPN) - 66.56 Short Program
3. Gracie GOLD (USA) - 60.98 Short Program, 2nd Copy
4. Ashley WAGNER (USA) - 59.77 Short Program
5. Mao ASADA (JPN) - 59.39 Short Program
6. Mae Berenice MEITE (FRA) - 58.51 Short Program
7. Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) - 55.18 Short Program
8. Kexin ZHANG (CHN) - 54.97 Short Program
9. Zijun LI (CHN) - 53.16 Short Program
10. Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS) - 49.94 Short Program, 2nd Copy
11. Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY (FRA) - 49.41 Short Program
12. Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN) - 48.82 Short Program
Adding Lenaelle Gilleron-Gorry's SP
1. Adelina SOTNIKOVA (RUS) - 67.13 Short Program, 2nd Copy
2. Akiko SUZUKI (JPN) - 66.56 Short Program
3. Gracie GOLD (USA) - 60.98 Short Program, 2nd Copy
4. Ashley WAGNER (USA) - 59.77 Short Program
5. Mao ASADA (JPN) - 59.39 Short Program
6. Mae Berenice MEITE (FRA) - 58.51 Short Program
7. Kaetlyn OSMOND (CAN) - 55.18 Short Program
8. Kexin ZHANG (CHN) - 54.97 Short Program
9. Zijun LI (CHN) - 53.16 Short Program
10. Elizaveta TUKTAMYSHEVA (RUS) - 49.94 Short Program, 2nd Copy
11. Lenaelle GILLERON-GORRY (FRA) - 49.41 Short Program
12. Gabrielle DALEMAN (CAN) - 48.82 Short Program
Adding Lenaelle Gilleron-Gorry's SP
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hanca, you are correct. I didn't look at sky_fly's previous postings. I apologize to you, sky_fly, for making a snap judgment. However, I still disagree with the statement that Osmond fell "as expected".
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Awesome explanation. Thank you for this, chuckm!
I know I'm late, but why oh why is Akiko not in the lead? Sure Adelina's jumps were impressive, but Akiko actually moves to the music. Adelina is good but for this performance she couldn't have been more wooden; unless this is what you call interpretation. I've just got this feeling that the judges would rather let anyone win but Akiko and I DON'T LIKE IT!!
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I know I'm late, but why oh why is Akiko not in the lead? Sure Adelina's jumps were impressive, but Akiko actually moves to the music. Adelina is good but for this performance she couldn't have been more wooden; unless this is what you call interpretation. I've just got this feeling that the judges would rather let anyone win but Akiko and I DON'T LIKE IT!!
??? Akiko did a 3T+2T for her combo vs. Adelina's 3Lz+3T< , and yet she's only behind by 1 point. That's actually pretty good. She was hardly robbed of a higher placement.
:Well, 3T-2T was clean.
3Flutz-3T< both triples had problems.
I think a clean 3T-2T should beat a 3Flutz-3T<
I agree with the result, though.
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Why do I feel Lenaelle Gilleron-Gorry's style is so much like Brian Joubert, so masculine, in a good way, especially her hand movement, and her flying sit spins. Joubert has such a great influence on French figure skating?
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Woo! Adelina! 
Even if she doesn't win gold, I'd be amazed to see her place off the podium.
So proud of Akiko for pulling it together after Worlds and giving us a beautiful demonstration of her abilities. I wouldn't mind if SHE won, honestly.
At this point, Gracie's problem isn't so much consistency as a lack of motivation. She'll never have to train these programs again after this event, and her mind is probably already on her prospective Olympic programs. WTT is more of a fun event than a competition, far removed from the stress of Worlds, and she knows that she's proven herself on the biggest international stage there is. But I do hope that she skates clean in the FS.
I'm so proud of Ashley for going for the 3-3, even if it was UR. It shows that she's serious about this upcoming season, which will be the most important of her career.
Mao was beautiful, as always, even with the fall. She needs some time over the summer to improve the technique, but she's also a current medal threat if she hits most of her triples in the FS.
What happened to Kaetlyn, Liza, and Zijun?
Even if she doesn't win gold, I'd be amazed to see her place off the podium.So proud of Akiko for pulling it together after Worlds and giving us a beautiful demonstration of her abilities. I wouldn't mind if SHE won, honestly.
At this point, Gracie's problem isn't so much consistency as a lack of motivation. She'll never have to train these programs again after this event, and her mind is probably already on her prospective Olympic programs. WTT is more of a fun event than a competition, far removed from the stress of Worlds, and she knows that she's proven herself on the biggest international stage there is. But I do hope that she skates clean in the FS.
I'm so proud of Ashley for going for the 3-3, even if it was UR. It shows that she's serious about this upcoming season, which will be the most important of her career.
Mao was beautiful, as always, even with the fall. She needs some time over the summer to improve the technique, but she's also a current medal threat if she hits most of her triples in the FS.
What happened to Kaetlyn, Liza, and Zijun?
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Not sure because a 3flutz 3t is far harder not only an extra rotation and more difficult jump to start with two different jumps in combo are much harder timing wise to perform.
Ashley has had issues with her 2A in the past, it's not new. She says it's on of her strongest jumps, but she's gotten downgraded on it before (especially in the 2010-2011 season). When an axel is short on rotation, I think it's hard to stay on your feet (ask Mao
)I agree that defending her title won't be as 'easy' as it was this year.
Otoh: has John Nicks really retired
I really, really missed seeing him in the Kiss & cry with Ashley yesterday. At first I thought, oh it's a minor competition, maybe it was easier to only take Mills, but then I realized that John Nicks was seriously considering retirement and he might not be Ashley's coach the Olympic season! I think Team Ashley will be poorer without him and I really hope he'll change his mind...- Joined
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Ashley has had issues with her 2A in the past, it's not new. She says it's on of her strongest jumps, but she's gotten downgraded on it before (especially in the 2010-2011 season). When an axel is short on rotation, I think it's hard to stay on your feet (ask Mao
I agree that defending her title won't be as 'easy' as it was this year.
Otoh: has John Nicks really retired
I could see Nicks "semi-retiring" as in: he'll coach Ashley while based at his home, but doesn't want to travel long-distance much anymore. I've always been of the opinion, at least for an adult athlete, that the greatest value of the coach comes during the training sessions....if the athlete can't get the skills and program down pat by the time the competition rolls around, then the coach probably isn't going to be much help at that point. As for psychology, a seasoned veteran that's beyond childhood should be able to "get the job done" whether or not coach or mommy is standing by the boards or not.
Ashley has had issues with her 2A in the past, it's not new. She says it's on of her strongest jumps, but she's gotten downgraded on it before (especially in the 2010-2011 season). When an axel is short on rotation, I think it's hard to stay on your feet (ask Mao
I agree that defending her title won't be as 'easy' as it was this year.
Otoh: has John Nicks really retired
It was easy for Ashley to defend her title this year? Didn't look like it to me considering she escaped by the skin of her teeth and by the worried look on her face after her LP.
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