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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    I had read some of the criticism of Chan at WTT elsewhere, but have wondered whether he has been unfairly singled out.
    I don't know enough context, etc., to have an independent opinion of my own, so at least for now, I am willing to give Chan the benefit of the doubt.

    Per ISU's own summary, Takahashi said, "After the World Championships it’s been very difficult physically and mentally to come to this World Team Trophy ..."
    I myself have no problem with those words, but I wonder why I have not seen any criticism of Takahashi. Based on that comment, seems to me that haters could accuse him -- captain of Team Japan, no less -- also of whining and a bad attitude.


    Please don't get me wrong. I'm not criticizing either guy -- and am not wishing for anyone to find fault with Takahashi. But I take all the Chan-bashing with a grain of salt.
    Nonetheless, Takahashi went out there enthusiastically. If he didn't want to be there, he certainly didn't show it.

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    And Takahashi was jubilant on the podium. He looked as if he was really enjoying himself.

    That contrasted with Chan's somber face at the victory ceremony. You would have thought that as team captain, Chan should have been proud and happy that his team pulled themselves up from 4th to 2nd, but no. CHAN wasn't the star of his team, so he sulked. Just goes to show that age doesn't necessarily bring maturity,

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post

    But hey, that's just me. I have a low tolerance for the cutesy-poo. (Yes, you can pelt me with stuffed animals now.).
    I'm all about esprit de corps, but some of what I saw was contrived and absurd. Which team was it that dressed as Winnie the Pooh or some such nonsense?

    I'm not a huge Patrick Chan fan, but I'd have been in a sour mood, too, if I'd been forced to wear moose ears where I work.

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    No one forced Chan to wear moose ears, and there weren't any props on the podium. Chan looked as if he'd rather be anywhere but in a team event. I guess he takes his cue from Scott Moir, who acted the same way last year.

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    Chan is complaining about the timing of WTT,....perhaps he should be quiet.

    Max Aaron did US Nationals (1st), two weeks, 4CCs (4th), two weeks, Worlds (7th), then WTT...and put in full effort performances that were much, much cleaner than Chan's at all of them. And skating at the speed he does, too.

    I think I'll just refer to Max as the Energizer Bunny.

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    Gracie Gold did all the same competitions as Max, and her WTT FS was the best she's done internationally this season. And Ashley delivered her first clean FS since the GP. And Jeremy Abbott managed to get a new Seasons Best score at WTT. Chock/Bates won the ice dance competition. The US skaters rose to the occasion, which was supposed to be a lighthearted team competition, and that's why they won.

    Patrick Chan did not skate well, so he complained that Skate Canada made him do WTT when he would rather be preparing for the Olympics. Right. So that's why he signed up to do SOI starting next week, and after the SOI tour, another tour in China until June. The second place WTT team gets $170,000, which nets Chan at least $20,000. Poor Paddy, being forced to perform for $$. The unfairness of it all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    Honestly? I'd rather see synchronized skating as an Olympic event than teams. Yes, the team event is fun, but it also smacks of one of those late 1990's tv specials.

    But hey, that's just me. I have a low tolerance for the cutesy-poo. (Yes, you can pelt me with stuffed animals now.).
    I had too I think. At the Olympics are the skaters going to have to have a different short and long other than the one they are using in going for individual medals or will the team be made up of skaters who aren't going for individual medals. I know so little about this event or how it will be structured. The teams at WTT seemed to be trying too hard to see who could be the silliest and it seemed forced. Does the team event precede the individual competition at the Olympics? If it does, what happens if someone who is a contender for an individual medal gets injured and has to withdraw. There seems to me to be lots of possible problems with this event. Hopefully the powers that be have thought through this carefully, but I fear they haven't.

    I see nothing wrong with Taka saying the event was mentally and physically challenging just coming off worlds. That is a position many skaters would take imo.

    Skaterboy, sadly I don't think any one has to worry about Abbott next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrufflet View Post
    Wow! I feel sorry for the flower retrievers, oops I mean stuffed animal retrievers. Sounds like a new dog breed.
    I thought it was so polite of Mao to help the flower retrievers more than skaters usually do at WTT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trewyn View Post
    Haha, yeah, I noticed that too. Maybe he reads figure skating forums?

    It's nice to see the skaters have fun in the K&C. Though I imagine the Olympic event will be a lot more competitive and intense. Olympic medals on the line!!!
    We now know the team contest at the Olympics is being held before the regular skating events. In my opinion this schedule puts at risk every skater who might have the opportunity to win an individual medal. It takes so much effort both physical and emotional to peak at just the right moment, that having to compete earlier for the team could have a negative effect on their performance in the traditional events. There is the added concern that while practicing and performing for the team, they could sustain an injury that removes them from the rest of the competition.

    The ISU canceled qualifying skates on the grounds they gave the audience an overdose of skating!! Now they have introduced an extra event which just like qualifying, requires skaters to repeat the same programmes within a couple of days. Are they trying to bore us to death? Unlike gymnastics few skating nations have competitors for every discipline which certainly limits and skews the contest. This makes it seem like a "fake" as well as a "fluff" competition. It would be a shame if skaters chances of a legitimate medal were compromised by being pressured to take part in what appears to be an outright farce.

    This is my personal opinion but I have noticed a lot of fans on the internet really don't give a hoot about a team event. I also hate the rah rah cutesy poo efforts in the background. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dance Fanatic View Post

    This is my personal opinion but I have noticed a lot of fans on the internet really don't give a hoot about a team event. I also hate the rah rah cutesy poo efforts in the background. Sorry.
    I like it. Everyone is skating is always so Barbie-polished and sanitized. I like that they're not taking themselves so seriously at the event.

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    Dance Fanatic, after reading your information, I hope this event will be cancelled. Who wants to endanger their chances for an individual medal by being a part of this? THe only way it would be acceptable to me is that no individual contenders be a part of it or it be held as some kind of gala event after the olympics end. One of my peeves about fs as a sport is having to see the same programs skated over and over and in the same costumes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    No one forced Chan to wear moose ears...
    Are you telling me he did that of his own choosing? Because if he did... well, I just assumed... never mind.

    So, did those Pooh characters or bunny rabbits or whatever they were... did that team do it because they wanted to as well?

    As I said, I like the team concept, but all those cutesy pie costumes and the ring-around-the-rosy...No. No. No. I hate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Dance Fanatic, after reading your information, I hope this event will be cancelled. Who wants to endanger their chances for an individual medal by being a part of this? THe only way it would be acceptable to me is that no individual contenders be a part of it or it be held as some kind of gala event after the olympics end. One of my peeves about fs as a sport is having to see the same programs skated over and over and in the same costumes.
    Oh, I don't agree at all. The Olympic Games is not the World Championship. The purpose of the World Figure Skating Championship is to give skaters a chance to show that they are the best in the world in what they do.

    The purpose of the Olympic Games is to wave your flag, march in the opening ceremonies (this is the most watched event of the Games), to get on television (squeezed in amid 1000 hours of Bob Costas talking), and thus to line up endorsements afterward. It is for Presidents and Kings to make a show of how noble they are by threatening to boycott the other guys' Games. It is for nations to brag that they won more medals overall than someone else, thus proving once and for all who has the superior way of life.

    I think the team figure skating event, right off the bat after the Opening Ceremonies -- which nation can spend more money than its predecessors on fireworks? -- will be immensely popular. (London couldn't beat China on that one, so they had the Queen parachute out of a helicopter instead. ) Just like we have the Fabulous Five and Magnificent Seven in gymnastics, we can have the Glorious Gliders in figure skating. This will be very cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Oh, I don't agree at all. The Olympic Games is not the World Championship. The purpose of the World Figure Skating Championship is to give skaters a chance to show that they are the best in the world in what they do.
    But the problem is that many deem the OGM more prestigious or more desired than a world title

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    I enjoy the WTT.

    However, the Olympic team event is another matter. I think it's total insanity to have the team event BEFORE the individual events.

    The WTT is - or is meant to be - a light-hearted affair. Those who don't like that, need not watch. If I felt about it the way that some posters apparently do - would not be caught dead watching it. I think spending time watching something you dislike so much is... to put it mildly... a bizarre choice. But to each their own.

    The Olympic event however, precedes the main event. The same athletes will be required to attend both - that is, those who have teams entered; which will give those who do not, an unfair advantage in being fresher, and less likely to injure themselves before the individual competition.

    For instance, if this WTT had been held just previous to the World Championships - and Menshov had been the Russian entry.... ?

    The World Championships and WTT are two different events - and there is time between them. The Olympic team event will be part of the Olympic event.

    These are clean two different things.

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