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    Is Abbott finished?

    Is he done?
    I am inclined to say he is. He's had a good run at least in the U.S., but can't seem to shed his demons and skate well in the international scene.
    Thoughts?

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    I'm inclined to say yes as well.

    Quite apart from everything else, you have to ask the question - does he even deserve another chance? I mean, how many chances are they going to give him to blow before they realise that as good as he is, he always blows it at the big internationals?

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    Pains me to say it, but yes, I think so.

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    Yes.

    Abbott seems to have lost some of his amazing abilities, not just big jumps, which he owned a couple of years ago. I don't think he could go anywhere with such skating.

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    All Jeremy has to do is stop fooling around pretending he has a quad. If he just leaves out the obligatory opening fall and skates to his strengths, he can still win the U.S. title.

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    Is he done, as in being considered as a threat for a national title and world medal (or even a World/Olympic team member)? I'm inclined to say that he is in the twilight of his competitive career. Is it time to stick a fork in him? Absolutely not, unless he has lost his drive and want for competition. The worst thing, which can have far reaching damage, not only in the short term, but in the long term, is to have tons of people tell you "you're done" and have that feeling that people are against you and that you should quit. It's some negative external influences that really, is not necessary.

    It's only time to put a fork in him when he wants the fork in him, and not one second before (and that goes for Chan and any other athlete. I may ask him to retire and go away, but he has every right to stay in the sport as long as he wants and is able to be in the sport.)

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    I think that we all agree that he doesn't have a quad, at the moment, so (if he wants to keep competing) he has two options:
    1) try to skate clean without the quad, focusing on consistency and on his beautiful 3As, receiving high GOEs and PCS; the result would be being in the top3 at nationals (but probably not the champion), and not winning any medal in the GP (maybe some bronze here or there is someone bombs or WD) but surely not in the ISU Championships;
    2) work a lot on his quad and hopefully go back to his 2011-2012 form, when he was landing a lot of clean quads in practice and actually landed it at GPF and Nationals: even if he does this, one inconstant quad is not enough to win, given the current layouts (2/3 quads) that all the Men are planning...
    So, my answer is yes. Sadly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zschultz1986 View Post
    The worst thing, which can have far reaching damage, not only in the short term, but in the long term, is to have tons of people tell you "you're done" and have that feeling that people are against you and that you should quit. It's some negative external influences that really, is not necessary.
    How different! How biased treatment to different skaters! So when it comes to Abbott, you've suddenly become "rational", so considerable, so understanding. Do different skaters have different class?!

    Quote Originally Posted by zschultz1986 View Post
    It's only time to put a fork in him when he wants the fork in him, and not one second before (and that goes for Chan and any other athlete. I may ask him to retire and go away, but he has every right to stay in the sport as long as he wants and is able to be in the sport.)
    There is no need to seek justification on what you've said about Chan. All skaters deserve the same consideration from other people.

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    First of all the title of this thread irks me. That said as to the subject matter we all know that Jeremy has indicated that he will continue to compete
    this Olympic season and after that it is pretty much a given that he will retire. So he will be done no need to "stick a fork in it".
    Will he actually be competitive with the other elite skaters I don't know I cannot predict the future, but his past 2 seasons
    have not been good.

    Jeremy can score very well under COP he's got the PC's he just needs to figure out his jump strategy and land them
    and I believe he will be able to be competitive this upcoming season. Of course this is just my humble opinion.

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    Well part of me says ones career ends when one says it is ending. I also, this is just me, while it is exciting I prefer those who have shown conositency and worked hard to get the oly medals if the other skater or skaters just finally skated their best at the Oly's. But life isn't fair. Abbott does not appear really to have a quad but neither does Dai really. he can still make the US team though because Rippon, Armin, Evan, Johnny, Aaron and the upcoming juniors either don't have a consistent quad or still developing their skating skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Well part of me says ones career ends when one says it is ending. I also, this is just me, while it is exciting I prefer those who have shown conositency and worked hard to get the oly medals if the other skater or skaters just finally skated their best at the Oly's. But life isn't fair. Abbott does not appear really to have a quad but neither does Dai really. he can still make the US team though because Rippon, Armin, Evan, Johnny, Aaron and the upcoming juniors either don't have a consistent quad or still developing their skating skills.
    Agree totally.

    Although I understand the sentiment that maybe Abbott should pack it in, this is a skater who had a few quasi-decent years (2008 to 2010), has paid his dues, continues to pay his dues and occasionally lifts himself to putting out a really nice skate. (His GP performance at France this year was really nice to watch, despite the glitches.) He did have a back problem earlier this season and some slack should be given to him for what happened generally. He still has something. The U.S men's singles, and international skating generally, will be richer with his competing, but he has to be smart about it.

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    It makes me so sad because I think he is the most artistically interesting male skater of the past few years. His Muse program is still one of my favorites.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointyourtoe View Post
    It makes me so sad because I think he is the most artistically interesting male skater of the past few years. His Muse program is still one of my favorites.
    I loved his Muse program too!

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    If the judges are still willing to reward Jeremy with high PCS, he's definitely not done yet. As other posters have mentioned, he definitely needs to ditch the quad and focus on skating clean. No one hated on Lambiel much for not doing a 3A at the 2010 Olympics, because his artistry and PCS were superior to many other skaters and he almost landed on the podium. Jeremy is in a similar situation, skate clean, focus on what he does best...rather than attemp quads and throw off the rest of his program.

    If he switched up his SP layout and got L4 on all spins and footwork (not sure if he's able to get all spins to a 4)...

    3F - 5.30
    CCSP4 - 3.20
    STSQ 4 - 3.90
    3Z + 3T - 11.11x (move to bonus)
    3A - 9.35x
    FSSP4 - 3.00
    CCoSP4 - 3.50

    ...he could get about 39.36 for TES max without a quad, plus GOE's, plus he could achieve 42 in PCS, scoring in the 80-85+ range

    Same for the LP...ditch the quad and be smart about maximizing everything else...(There's probably a better quadless jump layout for more points than my example)

    3Z - 6
    3F - 5.30
    CCSP4 - 3.20
    3A + 2t - 9.80
    CCOSp4 - 3.50
    3A - 9.35x
    3Lo + 2t - 7.04
    FSSP4 - 3.00
    3L + 3T + 2lo - 12.65
    2A - 3.63
    STSQ4 - 3.90
    3S - 4.62
    CHsq1 - 2.00

    ...for a total of 73.99 TES (not counting GOE), plus 85 PCS, puts him in the 160+ range for LP...240+total. That number certainly isn't high enough to beat most quad filled podium contenders who skate cleanly, but a clean maxed out Jeremy skate could garner better GOE points and PCS than a sloppy, quad attempted one...and Olympic nerves may prevent the quad kings from going clean. It certainly worked for Evan in 2010, but I think if Jeremy takes this approach he can be top 6 and end his Olympic career on a high note of skating his best.

    And yes, I'm looking forward to seeing Muse again. I couldn't completely concentrate on it live at 2012 Nats, because I was near the 'emergency situation' with his stepdad. Thank goodness everything turned out alright.

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    Thank you for the detailed jump layout. And Welcome IndependentObserver to GS!

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