05-31-2013, 01:51 PM
Skating is art, if you let it be.
Well, first of all, using one competition as the sole benchmark for who gets to go to Worlds is not a good idea. If someone gets sick the day before Nationals, when they are the highest ranked skater in the country internationally, do they deserve to have their career completely thwarted because of it? Not to mention that a lot of skaters can do well on home turf, Nationals is like classmates competing against each other in front of familiar crowds, but then get overwhelmed when skating abroad.
Originally Posted by Mathman
That aside, things get tricky with the Junior eligibles. Dornbush didn't need to go to 2011 Worlds. He should have been sent to Junior Worlds, which he could have won. And with regards to 2013 Nationals, they didn't support Abbott in that they didn't score the competition correctly. Miner landed a Quad and skated relatively clean they gave him undeserved PCS just for a steady technical effort.
05-31-2013, 02:35 PM
I think Nationals is an excellent place to decide who will represent the country in the WC. We want to see who can deliver when the heat is really on. Who is on the rise, and who is fading?
Originally Posted by Blades of Passion
It's about handling pressure. I know this is mean, but it gets to the heart of the matter. When Max Aaron lit up the house, who among us didn't expect Jeremy to fold?
Did anyone, in their secret heart of hearts, say to themselves, "This is fantastic! Jeremy will feed off the energy and deliver a performance for the ages!"
No. We knew.
He's a lovely skater, but I haven't seen an overabundance of "fire in the belly."
05-31-2013, 02:42 PM
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I think the more you try to guess who is going to do the best at worlds, the more you just end up outsmarting yourself. I think it is far better to decide things by a competition rather than by the opinion of a committee as to what they think might happen if they send this person or that.
As for the case of the skater who does well in the Grand Prix, but then flubs Nationals -- well, like TontoK, I hate to be mean, but that's sports. Is it fair that a really, really good team wins a lot of games during the season but then loses the semi-finals and doesn't get to play in the Super Bowl?
Last edited by Mathman; 05-31-2013 at 03:27 PM.
05-31-2013, 03:09 PM
In the end that perception speaks pretty badly to Abbott right now also though. One apparently cant even believe he has a good shot to finish top 5 (all he would have needed to give the U.S 3 spots back with Aaron) at a Worlds as poorly skated as Worlds was this year. Considering his talent and the poor mens event at Worlds this year, that is pretty bad that we even say this. Well if that is true it probably is time for him to move on.
Originally Posted by silverlake22
05-31-2013, 03:16 PM
At the rink. Again.
This is the typical Monday morning QB call, though. Who would have thought that Worlds would have been that poorly skated by the top men contenders? If someone sticks their hand up and says "Oh, I did!" I cry BS. Who also knows what Abbott would have been able to deliver at Worlds if he had been at the event. He could have added to the suck-fest that the majority of that event was or he could have risen above the suck-fest that occured and laid down the performance of his life based on a lack of pressure because of the poor quality of the other skaters in at least one segment. That is just something no one will ever know.
05-31-2013, 03:21 PM
Agreed. It always seems to backfire on federations when they end up giving the favourites more clout, even if they perform poorly at Nationals. And then they're so surprised when they bomb on the World stage.
Originally Posted by Mathman
05-31-2013, 03:25 PM
I actually did. The mens event has been super weak since 2008 now, so why would one expect Worlds to have turned into a Golden Souffle all of a sudden. How else is Chan winning almost every event this quad with more falls and major errors than anyone has ever been making to win that many events. How else is a mediocre skater like Evan freaking Lysacek a World, Grand Prix final, and Olympic Champion today, and not even having to do a quad to boot to win any of those. Controversial judging aside, it also says something about the field the last 5 years which is pretty much just what we saw at Worlds this year. Bad. This years Worlds was only a bit worse than the recent norm, not by much though. Given the dire state of the mens event the last half decade it was pretty much the level of skating one should have expected if they were being realistic and reasonable.
Originally Posted by mskater93
05-31-2013, 03:41 PM
At the rink. Again.
Typically, though, someone who's considered a favorite skates great or better than the rest did.
05-31-2013, 04:27 PM
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