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Thread: Gracie Gold: "I Perform My Best When I Stay Fully In Each Moment"

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    Gracie needs more than better choreography or musicality. She skates like a linebacker and with the same posture too - she's my refridgerator break. She needs to undergo an Angela Nikodinov like makeover fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    I was making a bit of a grand statement, actually. Could this feasibly happen--that Gracie outskates the Russians, Ashley, Akiko, and Kanako?
    She outskated Akiko and the Russians at Worlds 2013. If she delivered two clean programs, she could beat Ashley and Kanako as well. But she was 6th at 2013 Worlds, and if you take out the top 3 (Asada, Kostner, Kim) that would put her in the medals at 2014 Worlds, wouldn't it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by artsciboy View Post
    Gracie needs more than better choreography or musicality. She skates like a linebacker and with the same posture too - she's my refridgerator break. She needs to undergo an Angela Nikodinov like makeover fast.
    The judges seem to like her quite a lot. She is fast, she has huge jumps, and she is an excellent spinner; her footwork usually get L4 with +GOE. It's true she needs to develop better presentation skills, but she is well aware of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    The judges seem to like her quite a lot. She is fast, she has huge jumps, and she is an excellent spinner; her footwork usually get L4 with +GOE. It's true she needs to develop better presentation skills, but she is well aware of that.
    Well, Rachel Flatt was getting solid PCS marks when she was landing the jumps too...and that's the only positive thing I can say about her musicality/presentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artsciboy View Post
    Well, Rachel Flatt was getting solid PCS marks when she was landing the jumps too...and that's the only positive thing I can say about her musicality/presentation.
    Really? We're comparing Gracie with Rachel? Artsciboy, Gracie is also getting the PCS when she doesn't land all the jumps. There's a marked difference between the ceiling of Gracie Gold and Rachel Flatt. One can jump like Kim Yuna, and the other is Rachel Flatt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zschultz1986
    Really? We're comparing Gracie with Rachel? Artsciboy, Gracie is also getting the PCS when she doesn't land all the jumps. There's a marked difference between the ceiling of Gracie Gold and Rachel Flatt. One can jump like Kim Yuna, and the other is Rachel Flatt.
    And jumps have absolutly nothing to do with the PCS. Beat me, but I liked Rachael and her presentation and programs, and I'd have her above Gracie in those areas the way Gracies skates by now, though Gracie has the potential to improve.
    Gracie is an amazing girl, and she seems to have a cool head on her shoulders - that's probably the best part even among all her talent. The american hype machine is annoying as hell though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I see Gracie Gold as World Gold medalist in 20014 and the star to beat til 2018 where she blows away the competition. I'd rather watch her at this point than Mao. Carolina is so stunning, her skating is better than Yuna's but not her tech content. But if yuna blows it, and does not have the programs, and Gracie is not is the pressure positions, she could easily pull a tara or Sarah. She can jump and all else is very good and improving. Mao is not a given. Carolina will not be scored as high unless she can add some difficulty this season. Don't underestimate thisgirl. If she has the confidence of Tara and Sarah, she can be a dark horse podium threat.

    I am in her corner. She and Akiko, Caro and Osmond are my favorite skaters at present. Akiko is really skating incredibly. I loved her WTT performance. Mao is declining. Akiko is fabulous, sadly Japan won't admit Mao is not the best lady anymore. Mao had the perfect vehicle this year. I don't know what TAT will do. I wish Wilson had Mao. Or maybe Jeff Buttle. I wish Sandra Bezic would have done CoP programs. TaT is wrong for Mao at this point. Camerlengo is better.

    I agree Grace needs Mills or ? She really is a hardworker so don't think the veterans will be held up. Caro has had several Olympics. Mao and Yuna have had their big day too. I hope the kids get the scores they deserve. Akiko should be a podium threat. It is a shame she is overlooked by so many fans. She is awesome.
    Akiko is great when she is on. But she is still erratic. She was definitely a contender for a medal at this year's Worlds but she made too many mistakes. So I don't think, based on results this season, she should be the best lady skater in Japan. As for fans overlooking her, I certainly don't feel it in this forum. Though I agree she is underrated by the judges at times but I also think her inconsistency is a detriment to her earning the reputation she deserves when she skates well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Since he's been canned by Ashley, I expect Philip Mills would be thrilled to work with Gracie
    Ashley fired Philip Mills? Who is she using for next year's programs?

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    I thought it was MILLS who fired Ashley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eyria View Post
    Ashley fired Philip Mills? Who is she using for next year's programs?
    It appears that Mills made the decision to stop working with Ashley because he felt that something in her skating wasn't meshing well with his choreo. In any case, there's been no word yet on who Ashley's new choreographer will be, but Wilson, Dickson, and Nichol would be at the top of MY list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    And jumps have absolutly nothing to do with the PCS. Beat me, but I liked Rachael and her presentation and programs, and I'd have her above Gracie in those areas the way Gracies skates by now, though Gracie has the potential to improve.
    Gracie is an amazing girl, and she seems to have a cool head on her shoulders - that's probably the best part even among all her talent. The american hype machine is annoying as hell though.
    This. I still can't believe that people honestly wondered why Gracie couldn't hold it together for the first half of the season.

    (Hint: It's because, any time she actually managed to skate a clean program, she'd instantly be slapped with the "Future of American Skating" sticker again, despite being a first-year senior with little international experience.)

    If anything, the hype will only increase in the Olympic season--[URL="https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2013/04/18/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/Nike-Gold.aspx"]Nike is close to a sponsorship deal with her[/URL]--but hopefully, she's learned to block it out and just do what she's capable of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Li'Kitsu View Post
    And jumps have absolutly nothing to do with the PCS. Beat me, but I liked Rachael and her presentation and programs, and I'd have her above Gracie in those areas the way Gracies skates by now, though Gracie has the potential to improve.
    Gracie is an amazing girl, and she seems to have a cool head on her shoulders - that's probably the best part even among all her talent. The american hype machine is annoying as hell though.
    Yes Gracie needs to improve her presentation and programs but Gracie beats Flatt in jumps speed and ice coverage and spins too. Why do you think she gets good PCS scores despite needing polish? She has good overall basic skating skills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    This. I still can't believe that people honestly wondered why Gracie couldn't hold it together for the first half of the season.

    (Hint: It's because, any time she actually managed to skate a clean program, she'd instantly be slapped with the "Future of American Skating" sticker again, despite being a first-year senior with little international experience.)

    If anything, the hype will only increase in the Olympic season--[URL="https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2013/04/18/Marketing-and-Sponsorship/Nike-Gold.aspx"]Nike is close to a sponsorship deal with her[/URL]--but hopefully, she's learned to block it out and just do what she's capable of.
    She's never NOT been the "Future of American Skating." I don't think I've ever asked that question (though I am only one person) and I have noted that this is only her first year in seniors, that she needs to mature and refine her presentation and choreo, and that she had a very good first year in seniors, and that she has a shot for a medal next year if she does mature and skates clean, wit hthe tech content she has. What about those points do you find A) unreasonable or B) Hyping her up?

    BTW, all that pressure (well, good pressure) is GOOD for a skater, if they can handle it. Good/Great competitors learn to either A) Block out the extraneous stuff (See: Yuna) or B) use it (See: Christopher Bowman... usually). It's good, in my opinion, that she was under that particular crucible this year, as it seems she has learned to do either A or B this year, and will be better equipped next year (the Olympic season) and for years to come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zschultz1986 View Post
    She's never NOT been the "Future of American Skating." I don't think I've ever asked that question (though I am only one person) and I have noted that this is only her first year in seniors, that she needs to mature and refine her presentation and choreo, and that she had a very good first year in seniors, and that she has a shot for a medal next year if she does mature and skates clean, wit hthe tech content she has. What about those points do you find A) unreasonable or B) Hyping her up?

    BTW, all that pressure (well, good pressure) is GOOD for a skater, if they can handle it. Good/Great competitors learn to either A) Block out the extraneous stuff (See: Yuna) or B) use it (See: Christopher Bowman... usually). It's good, in my opinion, that she was under that particular crucible this year, as it seems she has learned to do either A or B this year, and will be better equipped next year (the Olympic season) and for years to come.
    I didn't mean to attack your opinions. Sorry if it sounded that way.

    What I found ridiculous/hype-suggestive was that it started based on one good season she had as a JUNIOR, far before we had any idea of how she'd fare as a senior. Everyone saw how she crumbled at Skate Canada, her first major senior competition, with all of the media attention surrounding her. Many people expected that competition to be a race between Gracie, Liza T, and Akiko. Meanwhile, Kaetlyn Osmond, who had little to no pressure entering SC, ended up winning the entire event.

    Two weeks later, at the Cup of Russia, the hype had gone down and Gracie won the silver medal. At US Nationals, where the hype was higher than ever (just look at NBC's broadcast of the event) and everyone expected her to qualify for the World team based on ONE decent senior competition, she bombed the short program. She showed in the free skate that she was finally learning how to handle the enormous expectations.

    I never said that pressure is a bad thing--after all, that's how Yuna Kim, Michelle Kwan, and Mao Asada were made. Gracie will certainly need to keep her psychological front up next season, but we need to keep in mind that she will still be a relatively NEW senior. She has the potential to be a future World and even Olympic champion, but it's unlikely to happen next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by artsciboy View Post
    Gracie needs more than better choreography or musicality. She skates like a linebacker and with the same posture too - she's my refridgerator break. She needs to undergo an Angela Nikodinov like makeover fast.
    yes she hunches but she's not a ballerina. same could be said of kim's posture. Jumps will win the day. linebacker? wish we had several more like her. Bezic loves her.

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