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    Top 20 skaters of all time per discipline

    Who would be your choices as the top 10 skaters of all time per discipline in order. Mine would be:

    Pairs:

    1. Gordeeva & Grinkov
    2. Protoppopovs
    3. Rodnina & Zaitsev
    4. Shen & Zhao
    5. Miskutienok & Dmitriev
    6. Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze
    7. Totmianina & Marinin
    8. Valova & Vasiliev
    9. Savchenko & Szolkowy
    10. Wagner & Paul
    11. Underhill & Martini
    12. Voloszhar & Trankov (will jump to 6th on the list if they continue dominating next year skating at the level they did this season and win the OGM)
    13. Rodnina & Ulanov
    14. Dafoe & Bowden
    15. Pang & Tong
    16. Kilius & Baumler
    17. Brunet & Brunet
    18. Kazahkova & Dmitriev
    19. Baess & Theirbach
    20. Brasseur & Eisler


    Men:

    1. Alexei Yagudin
    2. Dick Button
    3. Evgeny Plushenko
    4. Brian Boitano
    5. John Curry
    6. Kurt Browning
    7. Robin Cousins
    8. Elvis Stojko
    9. Toller Cranston
    10. Scott Hamilton
    11. Gillis Grafstrom
    12. Stephane Lambiel
    13. Hayes Jenkins
    14. Karl Schafer
    15. Daisuke Takahashi
    16. David Jenkins
    17. Viktor Petrenko
    18. Jan Hoffmann
    19. Ondrej Nepela
    20. Emmerich Danzer


    Dance:

    1. Klimova & Ponomarenko
    2. Torvill & Dean
    3. Gritschuk & Platov
    4. Pakhomova & Gorshkov
    5. Bestiamanova & Bukin
    6. Virtue & Moir
    7. Anissina & Peizerat
    8. Krylova & Ovsiannikov
    9. Usova & Zhulin
    10. Davis & White
    11. Moiseeva & Minenkov
    12. Navka & Kostomarov
    13. Regoczy & Sallay
    14. Towler & Ford
    15. Romanova & Roman
    16. Denova & Stayviski
    17. Wilson & McCall
    18. Belbin & Agosto
    19. Blumberg & Seibert
    20. Linichuk & Karpanasov



    Ladies:

    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Katarina Witt
    3. Janet Lynn
    4. Michelle Kwan
    5. Midori Ito
    6. Irina Slutskaya
    7. Dorothy Hamill
    8. Sonja Henjie
    9. Peggy Fleming
    10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    11. Herma Szabo
    12. Carol Heiss
    13. Tenley Albright
    14. Madge Syers
    15. Cecelia Colledge
    16. Mao Asada
    17. Shizuka Arakawa
    18. Tara Lipinski
    19. Trixi Schuba
    20. Lu Chen

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    This is so subjective... We could discuss for ages every single placement: for example, putting K/P ahead of Torvill/Dean, or Cha outside of the top20...

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    No Ulrich Salchow?

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    No Patrick Chan? *is utterly shocked*

    What are your criteria? Some of these skaters never won a Worlds or Olympics.

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    Yeah, as someone who isn't Chan's biggest fan... or really, a fan.... he's gotta be somewhere 15-20, imo.

    Also, here's my top 5 ladies:

    1. Lynn
    2. Yamaguchi
    3. Ito
    4. Kim
    5. Henie/Bielmann

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    What are your criteria? Some of these skaters never won a Worlds or Olympics.
    That is always the most interesting question. What are the criteria? There is a difference between an "I won lots of medals" all-star and a "I gave exquisite performances" all-star. I am sure that pangtongfan would concede that Patrick Chan is the all-time "read the protocols" champion, but not so much the all-time "look at my on-ice performances" champion.

    For me, I would give heavy weight to what the skaters accomplished after their days of amateur competitions were over. Sonia Henie brought figure skating to hollywood. Dick Button was Mr. Figure Skating for half a century. Kurt Browning and Kristi Yamaguchi were better as professional entertainers than as amateur competitors. Scott Hamilton was a better entrepreneur and impresario than a skater. And Michelle Kwan wins the lifetime achievement award in the category of overall Kwanliness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    That is always the most interesting question. What are the criteria? There is a difference between an "I won lots of medals" all-star and a "I gave exquisite performances" all-star. I am sure that pangtongfan would concede that Patrick Chan is the all-time "read the protocols" champion, but not so much the all-time "look at my on-ice performances" champion.

    For me, I would give heavy weight to what the skaters accomplished after their days of amateur competitions were over. Sonia Henie brought figure skating to hollywood. Dick Button was Mr. Figure Skating for half a century. Kurt Browning and Kristi Yamaguchi were better as professional entertainers than as amateur competitors. Scott Hamilton was a better entrepreneur and impresario than a skater. And Michelle Kwan wins the lifetime achievement award in the category of overall Kwanliness.
    I like that idea, Math, of considering what skaters did after their amateur careers. Dick Button also had a good criterion: that a great skater left skating better than it was when he/she came in. So despite the fact that Sonia Henie's skating looked old-fashioned by the 1970s, she advanced the sport in several ways, including doing more demanding jumps than ladies ever did. As a pro skater, she also made skating attractive to larger audiences, both with her films and with her live shows. Without Henie, one might argue that skating would just have been a niche sport like dressage, interesting mainly to the families of people who had the money to train for years. Similarly, Button also advanced the jumps, and then later he did a lot of impresario work as well as his commentating on TV. He increased audiences and educated them as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    No Patrick Chan? *is utterly shocked*

    What are your criteria? Some of these skaters never won a Worlds or Olympics.
    Many people wouldnt have Chan as an all time great skater. Nothing to be shocked by.

    My criteria is a combination of factors. Achievements are obviously important, but those who contributed something to the sport in a big way that transcend their medal counts, those who make more of an overall impact, those who are just flat out considered higher caliber skaters by most observers, as well as longevity, consistency, the strength of the eras they skated in, can all be considered.

    The only skaters I included who did not win a major title are Janet Lynn and Toller Cranston, yet both are revered as amongst the best of all time because of the excellence of their free skating, and most of all what they contributed to the sport artistically. In the event you are unaware of this until now, it wouldnt surprise me, as you often seem to be out of touch with reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Many people wouldnt have Chan as an all time great skater. Nothing to be shocked by.

    My criteria is a combination of factors. Achievements are obviously important, but those who contributed something to the sport in a big way that transcend their medal counts, those who make more of an overall impact, those who are just flat out considered higher caliber skaters by most observers, as well as longevity, consistency, the strength of the eras they skated in, can all be considered.

    The only skaters I included who did not win a major title are Janet Lynn and Toller Cranston, yet both are revered as amongst the best of all time because of the excellence of their free skating, and most of all what they contributed to the sport artistically. In the event you are unaware of this until now, it wouldnt surprise me, as you often seem to be out of touch with reality.
    LOL, I meant I would be utterly shocked if you actually admitted that Chan should be in the top 20 -- which he should in my opinion, because he has the best actual skating skills/basics/edges/technique of most of the men on that list. At his best, he produces some of the best performances of all time (like 2011 Worlds), and he has the world records for the highest SP, the highest FS, and the highest total score. He also elevated the overall level of competition by incorporating quads after 2010 and forcing all the other men to attempt quads to keep up with him - the same way Yu Na spurred on a higher level of competition. I'm fairly sure the vast majority of people ( would have him in their top 20 (save for Chan bashers who will hate him regardless) -- even if they wanted to exclude him just because they don't like his attitude or his inconsistency, there's no denying how superior his overall skating is. With his lack of consistency, he's arguably not worthy of the top 10, but certainly in the top 20... and your excluding him entirely because of a personal hatred and your obliviousness to him being one of the best blade workers out there, seems a bit... out of touch with reality.

    And I never said Janet Lynn and Toller Cranston weren't amongst the best of all time... but I consider personal achievement to be considered a huge part of being the best of all time. Although Cranston and Lynn contributed greatly in terms of artistry, and had lovely spins, excellent skating skills and ease across the ice, however they never reached the top of the podium in major events, attributed not only to poor figures but also SP/FS segment errors that cost them. They're still arguably the two best skaters to never win a World or Olympic title, but neither belongs in the top 3 because of that. I'd certainly have Kim/Ito/Witt/Kwan ahead of Lynn in my list... but Lynn would certainly be in the top 10 with her setting a higher standard in women's skating. (Also, it's inaccurate to suggest she was singlehandedly behind the removal of compulsory figures. She paved the way for a more free skate-centric competition, and was arguably almost single-handedly behind the addition of the short program, to mitigate the value of compulsory figures -- but compulsory figures would be around more than 15 years after she competed. If anyone, it was Ito who nailed the coffin in compulsory figures.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    No Patrick Chan? *is utterly shocked*

    What are your criteria? Some of these skaters never won a Worlds or Olympics.
    Janet Lynn never won a Worlds or Olympics. Doesn't stop hordes of skaters, journalists, commentators, and fans from calling her a legend and in a league of her own.

    ETA: What Mathman said about Jenny&Dave's interview with Sandra Bezic.

    Also, an article by Christine Brennan, an American journalist who has written a number of books on figure skating:
    http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...-michelle-kwan
    Lynn won a bronze medal at the 1972 Olympics in Sapporo, Japan, and five consecutive national championships, but, like Kwan, she was a skater whose achievements surpassed her career statistics.

    Repeatedly stymied by the dull but demanding compulsory figures competition, which has since been phased out, she brought crowds to their feet during the free skate with her feather-light landings and athletic jumps, her feel for the music, and the joy she was able to communicate on ice.

    "She was an artist and an athlete, both," says David Santee, who skated in the 1976 and 1980 Olympics.

    "I remember her skating to 'Afternoon of a Faun,' and she would get so lost in the music that it would be hard not to watch and feel the same way. Yet, she could jump, she could spin, she could just do everything. . . . If I had one person to take with me [into competition] as the ultimate skater, I'd take Janet for sure."

    After Lynn didn't win a gold at Sapporo because of the compulsories, the sport itself was revised, with international competitions placing less emphasis on the painstaking ice tracings that had tripped up the great free skater.

    When Lynn left skating to raise her five sons, the sport's insiders -- judges, coaches, commentators and athletes -- kept her legend alive with grainy videotapes, locker room discussions and frequent references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Who would be your choices as the top 10 skaters of all time per discipline in order. Mine would be:
    Ladies:

    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Katarina Witt
    3. Janet Lynn
    4. Michelle Kwan
    5. Midori Ito
    6. Irina Slutskaya
    7. Dorothy Hamill
    8. Sonja Henjie
    9. Peggy Fleming
    10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    I think kristi yamaguchi is better than Midori Ito, Irina Slutskaya..

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    Rodnina 3rd? V/M 6th, Yagudin, Klimova-Ponomarenko best of all time???? How do you compare for example Slutskaya and Sonja Hennie ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Rodnina 3rd? V/M 6th, Yagudin, Klimova-Ponomarenko best of all time???? How do you compare for example Slutskaya and Sonja Hennie ?
    Yes, putting Sonja Henie (3 Olympic titles, 10 world titles, best skater of the world for over a decade, the first female "domination" ever) behind Slutskaya (no Olympic title, 2 world titles, just "one" of Kwan's rivals, definitely not that kind of extraordinary skater that Henie was, for her time) is a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Yes, putting Sonja Henie (3 Olympic titles, 10 world titles, best skater of the world for over a decade, the first female "domination" ever) behind Slutskaya (no Olympic title, 2 world titles, just "one" of Kwan's rivals, definitely not that kind of extraordinary skater that Henie was, for her time) is a bit
    Slutskaya was not just one of Kwan`s rivals, she was by far her biggest one. Who else even comes close. Only Tara but she lasted only 15 months at the top. Slutskaya has won 6 Worlds medals, 4 Grand Prix finals (and 9 overall medals there), a record 7 European titles, competed at 3 Olympics and medalling in 2 of them, countless number of international wins. I rate her so high due to her longevity, amazing array of achievements in a tough era, and that she might overall be the best technical skater in history considering all technical elements (jumps, spins, footwork, speed, edges).

    Henjie competed at a time the competition in womens skating was dire to put it mildly, when the technical demands were non existent, when politics was in another stratosphere to what modern skating fans can even imagine. Many of her wins were hugely controversial, her first World title over Herma Szabo which she only won since 3 of the 5 judges were Norwegian, as the 2 non Norwegian voted for Szabo. This upset Szabo so much she retired on the spot, feeling the deck was stacked against her, and created a new rule that only 1 judge per country was allowed. At the 1928 Worlds it was thought she was outskated by Maribel Vinson Owen but she was still given the win. Ceclia Colledge had clearly surpassed her in the mid 30s but the heavy politics of the day kept Henjie on top. Her father twice chased a judge who did not place her first down the street with a broom. That alone makes it hard to take much of her success that seriously, along with the time she competed in. I actually was far more generous to her than I wanted to be. I respected her record by putting her that high but from all I have heard and even footage I have seen Szabo and Colledge were the best skaters of the 20s and 30s and better than Henjie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Rodnina 3rd? V/M 6th, Yagudin, Klimova-Ponomarenko best of all time???? How do you compare for example Slutskaya and Sonja Hennie ?
    if yagudin is not the Best of all Time
    Then, who do you think is the best of all time??

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