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    Top 20 skaters of all time per discipline

    Who would be your choices as the top 10 skaters of all time per discipline in order. Mine would be:

    Pairs:

    1. Gordeeva & Grinkov
    2. Protoppopovs
    3. Rodnina & Zaitsev
    4. Shen & Zhao
    5. Miskutienok & Dmitriev
    6. Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze
    7. Totmianina & Marinin
    8. Valova & Vasiliev
    9. Savchenko & Szolkowy
    10. Wagner & Paul
    11. Underhill & Martini
    12. Voloszhar & Trankov (will jump to 6th on the list if they continue dominating next year skating at the level they did this season and win the OGM)
    13. Rodnina & Ulanov
    14. Dafoe & Bowden
    15. Pang & Tong
    16. Kilius & Baumler
    17. Brunet & Brunet
    18. Kazahkova & Dmitriev
    19. Baess & Theirbach
    20. Brasseur & Eisler


    Men:

    1. Alexei Yagudin
    2. Dick Button
    3. Evgeny Plushenko
    4. Brian Boitano
    5. John Curry
    6. Kurt Browning
    7. Robin Cousins
    8. Elvis Stojko
    9. Toller Cranston
    10. Scott Hamilton
    11. Gillis Grafstrom
    12. Stephane Lambiel
    13. Hayes Jenkins
    14. Karl Schafer
    15. Daisuke Takahashi
    16. David Jenkins
    17. Viktor Petrenko
    18. Jan Hoffmann
    19. Ondrej Nepela
    20. Emmerich Danzer


    Dance:

    1. Klimova & Ponomarenko
    2. Torvill & Dean
    3. Gritschuk & Platov
    4. Pakhomova & Gorshkov
    5. Bestiamanova & Bukin
    6. Virtue & Moir
    7. Anissina & Peizerat
    8. Krylova & Ovsiannikov
    9. Usova & Zhulin
    10. Davis & White
    11. Moiseeva & Minenkov
    12. Navka & Kostomarov
    13. Regoczy & Sallay
    14. Towler & Ford
    15. Romanova & Roman
    16. Denova & Stayviski
    17. Wilson & McCall
    18. Belbin & Agosto
    19. Blumberg & Seibert
    20. Linichuk & Karpanasov



    Ladies:

    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Katarina Witt
    3. Janet Lynn
    4. Michelle Kwan
    5. Midori Ito
    6. Irina Slutskaya
    7. Dorothy Hamill
    8. Sonja Henjie
    9. Peggy Fleming
    10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    11. Herma Szabo
    12. Carol Heiss
    13. Tenley Albright
    14. Madge Syers
    15. Cecelia Colledge
    16. Mao Asada
    17. Shizuka Arakawa
    18. Tara Lipinski
    19. Trixi Schuba
    20. Lu Chen

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    This is so subjective... We could discuss for ages every single placement: for example, putting K/P ahead of Torvill/Dean, or Cha outside of the top20...

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    No Ulrich Salchow?

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    No Patrick Chan? *is utterly shocked*

    What are your criteria? Some of these skaters never won a Worlds or Olympics.

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    Yeah, as someone who isn't Chan's biggest fan... or really, a fan.... he's gotta be somewhere 15-20, imo.

    Also, here's my top 5 ladies:

    1. Lynn
    2. Yamaguchi
    3. Ito
    4. Kim
    5. Henie/Bielmann

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    What are your criteria? Some of these skaters never won a Worlds or Olympics.
    That is always the most interesting question. What are the criteria? There is a difference between an "I won lots of medals" all-star and a "I gave exquisite performances" all-star. I am sure that pangtongfan would concede that Patrick Chan is the all-time "read the protocols" champion, but not so much the all-time "look at my on-ice performances" champion.

    For me, I would give heavy weight to what the skaters accomplished after their days of amateur competitions were over. Sonia Henie brought figure skating to hollywood. Dick Button was Mr. Figure Skating for half a century. Kurt Browning and Kristi Yamaguchi were better as professional entertainers than as amateur competitors. Scott Hamilton was a better entrepreneur and impresario than a skater. And Michelle Kwan wins the lifetime achievement award in the category of overall Kwanliness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Who would be your choices as the top 10 skaters of all time per discipline in order. Mine would be:
    Ladies:

    1. Yu Na Kim
    2. Katarina Witt
    3. Janet Lynn
    4. Michelle Kwan
    5. Midori Ito
    6. Irina Slutskaya
    7. Dorothy Hamill
    8. Sonja Henjie
    9. Peggy Fleming
    10. Kristi Yamaguchi
    I think kristi yamaguchi is better than Midori Ito, Irina Slutskaya..

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    Rodnina 3rd? V/M 6th, Yagudin, Klimova-Ponomarenko best of all time???? How do you compare for example Slutskaya and Sonja Hennie ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Rodnina 3rd? V/M 6th, Yagudin, Klimova-Ponomarenko best of all time???? How do you compare for example Slutskaya and Sonja Hennie ?
    Yes, putting Sonja Henie (3 Olympic titles, 10 world titles, best skater of the world for over a decade, the first female "domination" ever) behind Slutskaya (no Olympic title, 2 world titles, just "one" of Kwan's rivals, definitely not that kind of extraordinary skater that Henie was, for her time) is a bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Rodnina 3rd? V/M 6th, Yagudin, Klimova-Ponomarenko best of all time???? How do you compare for example Slutskaya and Sonja Hennie ?
    if yagudin is not the Best of all Time
    Then, who do you think is the best of all time??

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    I also think consideration should be given to the pioneers and innovators on whose shoulders subsequent generations of skaters stood.

    Jackson Haines invented "fancy skating" -- the idea that skating is an art form, not just tracing geometrically precise circles.

    Madge Syers invented the outrageous notion that skating is a sport for women, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by venlac View Post
    if yagudin is not the Best of all Time
    Then, who do you think is the best men in history??
    This is a tricky question. There are lots of criteria that could make one the "Best of all time".

    Best overall skater: Yagudin
    Best jumper: Plushenko
    Most ambitious jumpers: Goebel/Reynolds/Fernandez
    Best skater's skater: Lambiel/Buttle/Chan/Curry
    Best skater in terms of interpretation/expression: Takahashi/Cranston/Boitano


    I'm curious as to why people have ranked Lynn so high? Her technical ability was great, but she was poor at figures and never won a Worlds (silver and a bronze) or Olympics (bronze).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I'm curious as to why people have ranked Lynn so high?
    Her skating transported us to a better place.

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    Janet Lynn's skating holds up as beautiful both technically and artistically in a way that other skaters' skating does not. As I've said before, when I want to watch amazing skating from the 1970s, I don't yearn to sit in front of a video of World and Olympic champion Trixi Schuba. Additionally, I think that many credit Lynn for bringing a higher level of integrated, interpretive skating to the sport. She's probably equivalent on the ladies' side to Toller Cranston, who also didn't win any World or Olympic golds. He definitely belongs on just about any list of skating greats even without those accomplishments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Her skating transported us to a better place.
    I think I know what you mean by this, but could you be more specific?

    I agree that she was a lovely skater and popular, but as a competitor she wasn't much compared to the other ladies in history. She had a chance to win worlds in 1973 but two falls in her SP prevented that. She also came 7th in the FS at the Olympics. I assume when we're talking about the "best skaters" competitive ability/results is a huge criterion -- the top 3 in each discipline would have to be Olympic champions (and if not that, at least a multiple World Champion).

    Like Cranston, she definitely belongs on the list for elevating her sport. But I would put her out of the top 3, for sure.

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