(T)here are some [fans, etc.] who won’t education themselves about the sport.
If only commentators were given more time to explain the sport to the audience. Maybe a pre game show and an after show analysis. They do it all the time with other sports. It doesn't need to take an hour but 15-30 mins before an event will give commentators time to do some analysis, explain more about the sytem, maybe even a couple of extra fluff pieces-skater profiles etc. it's possible and doing something as simple as that will really help the sport.
Also, continue to encourage fans to use social media to reach the casual fan. It's a great way to interact when there is not a lot of time to say something on air. Also, as Phil Hersh said in a podcast, we need a reporter at the judges desk to find out what in the world happened!! Have this reporter get some answers and report back to the main commentators in the short interlude between skaters leaving the ice to getting their scores. Its tight but again its possible. The judges need to open up and not be veiled under so much secrecy.
Also for the super fan, the protocols need to be revealed skater by skater, without this 'random order' business. The action of the judges need to be scrutinised. It's harsh but that is what they signed up for. If they made a controversial decision they have an obligation to tell why they made that decision in that moment. And if thy did make a controversial decision they too have a right to defend themselves. This divorce between the judges and the audience is choking the sport.
Chan did lose the fs to ten so was his second place too high and how would it have been lower? How could he have gone so low as to wipe out his sp lead. So you make the sp worth less? Maybe you must have a system that has mandatory deductions not just in Tes but pcs. Whatever system there is has seen elements of the scoring system lead to people winning aren't seen as now deserving!
One thing I am sick of is the general attitude of "fans are complaining about the results because they're too stupid to understand the scoring system".
(This seems to be a particularly prevalent attitude of Chan fans - not neccessarily here - who just stick their noses in the air and say "you're too stupid to understand Chan's marks!!!!!!")
1) Plenty of us understand the scoring system quite well, thankyou. That doesn't mean we have to like it or the way it's used.
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EVEN I am getting tired of rehashing this, but it needs to be drilled into peoples heads. Chan's win showed us that you can win on the strength of your short. (Sure there were other factors, the other favorites having lackluster or disastrous shorts.) Yuna is another good example. Sure, she decimates the competition because she performs in the free, but she's got a nearly insurmountable lead after the short. It's a flaw in the system. The fact that scores aren't placements but rather a sum of points means that people CAN win on the strength of their short programs (It's basically what happened with figures + short back in the day. People won on the strength of their figures and tech programs, even though they consistently lost the free.) This means that the short program is OVERvalued under IJS. Which is why, factored placements, in some form, shape or fashion, needs to come back. I would say that it should be only in the short, so that people can't get too far ahead of the pack.
This is not subject of this post. I had a little frustrating and I decide to write.
Patrick Chan is not a strong skater much in SP usually, It was in only 2013 world championship .
Kim Yu Na was always a strong skater with sp since her debut, FS was weak proportionally because of problems of her stamina. It is certain that Yuna usually earned huge score from the SP, but fs also always almost was stronger than other skaters.
Can you give me an example, when she received a big score in SP, and she mess up FS, and abled to win at least once?
How can you say "her case is a matter of system, too"
Do you think that Hanyu yuzuru's case is also a problem of system?
I will tell you in advance, I love his skating and he's my favorite men's skater.
Of course I know..Yuna is more a case of insurmountable leads in the short than Chan is over her career.
Thank you for explanation.I'm not saying she didn't deserve her victories. I can't recall 2007 GPF or the 2008 4CC, but I did watch 2009 SA, and she did deserve to win there, she wasn't in second by that much in the long, compared to a clean Rachael Flatt.
? I did not complain about your argument about rules, I'm not support IJS. I only said about kim.Also, I understand IJS is the system now... as I have stated repeatedly, people want to knock 6.0 for it's problems, when the problems were never the judging system itself, but the judges. Sure, IJS breaks down scores more, and if you know what you're looking at, there's more to understand the difference between skaters and why skaters got this score. However, what people don't understand is that 6.0 was never about scores, it was about placement. Someone could potentially win with a 5.2/5.5 performance, if those are the best scores given out. There's TONS more ways to be less obvious about shady judging in IJS than under 6.0. The reason results were more "discussed" under 6.0 is because the cheating was right there in your face, and you could spot it. (I.E. Bloc Judging) With the IJS, that is not the case. you have to go digging through the protocols to find correlations, and even then, the judging is anonymous, so you don't know which judge, from which country, gave what score.
The problems have NOT gotten better since 2002, I'm sorry to disappoint all of you IJS defenders. All it did was throw a veil of complexity over a corrupt sport to hoodwink people.