Alissa changed her name to Mirai. That is going to be so confusing.
I'm sure she's perfectly capable of landing all her triples fully rotated in practice, and her triple-triples. I am guessing that with her the problem probably lies in rotating them in the more draining context of a program. I wonder what type of conditioning and how many run-throughs she trains. Unfortunately the illness at nationals made it pretty much impossible to guage how much her fitness improved through the season.
(Edit to add: Icey- I'm just going with the flow of the posts where I find them, because that's how conversations normally work. I do wish Alyssa great success with the terribly difficult comeback she's attempting.)
I've heard several posters speak of Mirai's artistry. There was little artistry on display in the Nationals FS (I was there). She skated like a robot, with no expression either in her body or her face. But she was visibly devastated when she heard her marks. My take is that she has no realization of how badly underrotated her jumps are. If she doesn't recognize that she has a problem, there is no way that she is going to solve that problem.
A bit businesslike. And, even in real time, you can see her turn her toe on the ice on a number of the jump landings
and the SP
Definitely more perky, more energy and she seemed to feel more comfortable with the program over all.
Back to Czisny....
Will be interesting to follow her progress over the season
To often in the last couple years Mirai has skated like a zombie at times with no expression in her body or her face.
I suppose that my hesitation in agreeing with you is that your schema judges AC against perfection (or at least against Michelle Kwan). Judging against perfection is fair, if you're doing that with everyone else. In my view, if you're judging all of the other current US ladies contenders against the same standard, there is no doubt (pending AC's return to 2010-2011 form, which I believe shows her potential, but which none of us, including me, is yet qualified to judge her ability to do) that AC is in the top three. As long as we don't fetishize triple-triples among the woman skaters (and, imo, 3T/3T is a dime a dozen and not worth any more than a 3Z/2T), then AC is a equal contender for the gold at US nationals in January 2014.
Let me add two (or three?) points: first, I think your (and most people's, I admit) judgment of AC's jumping ability might be unfair. AC is, yes, in a sense, inconsistent. But that's because we judge her against her own best, which is so much [expletive--self-edit] better than anyone else's. Lots of skaters fall a lot. But Alissa is "inconsistent" because when she doesn't fall she's so fracking good. In other words, the only reason people call Czisny inconsistent is that her highs are so darn high.
Your opinion on AC's audience connection -- well, I am not sure if my response should be "That's just your opinion," or "Who cares?". I feel connected when I watch AC, but I guess you don't. At the same time, I feel like figure skaters should be judged on what they do with their blades - not whether they convince ignorant crowds that they are the most entertaining. Maybe you disagree. Should we give Elvis Stojko all the medals?
Is AC a slow skater? I have never seen her skate live, and I know one can't judge from television - the focus of the camera makes everyone appear more or less to have the same speed. I have read (widely, on this forum) that she is average, speed-wise. I am hoping that AC gets a host spot at Skate America this fall because it would be close to me and I could see for myself.
My criteria was not intended to cite Kwan as 'perfection', because she was not perfect, but she was very, very good. Kwan would get + in every criteria I cited, but not +3 in every one.
How would I rate other skaters?
Consistent jumping ability Alissa -1, Wagner +2, Gold +1
- Great spins and footwork Alissa +3, Wagner +2, Gold +2
- Speed Alissa -2, Wagner +2, Gold +2
- Ability to skate to different kinds of music Alissa -1, Wagner +2, Gold-to be determined
- Expressiveness Alissa +1, Wagner +2, Gold 0
- Audience connection Alissa 0, Wagner +1, Gold -1
She fell on nearly all her triples---most of which were < or <<--- but also on the 2a. It wouldn't have mattered had she gone for doubles, because she would have fallen on those, too. She had zero ability to control the takeoff and landings of her jumps because the head of her femur was no longer in its normal position.As Jason Dungjen has pointed out, AC does not do doubles when she is in doubt. That's why she struggled so much at 2012 Worlds. She went for the triples.
I hope I get to see Alissa live at Skate America in Detroit this fall. When I think of slow skaters, I think of Caroline Zhang. I have nothing against CZ (in fact, I think US judges have effed her over the last two nationals), but I can detect the slowness of CZ even watching on TV. I have never noticed this about AC. AC has never appeared especially fast to me, but quite frankly, neither has Kostner, who everyone and their mother says is a speed skater. In other words, I'll believe it when I see it.
(Also, you are not the most trustworthy source on Czisny, chuckm. Ha, ha! It's okay. You probably feel how I feel about her as I feel about other skaters, like Jill Trenary. If Czisny ever won a world championship, I would cry foul too. But I still think AC should get some bronze lovin'. )
Oh, yeah, by the way. You (chuckm) don't know what would have happened had Czisny shot for doubles at Worlds 2012. Why? (1) Because no one, you included, is psychic. (2) Because you have no empirical support, because AC is not Kiira Korpi, doing doubles when she feels she's in trouble. Prove me wrong. I will watch your youtube citations and take back the claim I've asserted.
Show me AC turning multiple planned triples into doubles (either because of or not, an undiagnosed INJURY).
I think Alissa will be judged harshly if she does not land her jumps. If she does land her jumps, she could be U.S. champion.Originally Posted by Pepe Nero
Alissa often participates in local events at the Detroit Skating Club. You could catch her there -- well worth the trip.Is AC a slow skater? I have never seen her skate live, and I know one can't judge from television - the focus of the camera makes everyone appear more or less to have the same speed.
As for her speed, I think that chuckm is right in saying that she approaches her jumps with great deliberation and concentration -- that is, she slows down. In an LP with seven jumping passes in in four minutes, that's a lot of slowing down. Also, her music choices are lyrical and languid rather than peppy.
Jason Dungjen is spot on about Alissa never backing down or bailing on her planned program. Even in a disaster like 2012 worlds, where we could have forgiven her if she had just stopped in the middle and walked off the ice in tears, Alissa gave 100% from beginning to end and took on each jump as if it were the only jump in the program.
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I don't have a problem with turning triples into doubles, a la Kiira Korpi--knowing when to bail on a planned triple jump is the mark of a seasoned skater. It's better to aim for a lower BV than to grit your way through for -3 GOE and a 1-point deduction.