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Thread: Which 2 Russian Ladies will make the Olympic Team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    ITA. As much as I'd like to believe that Leonova has it in her to come back fighting, the fact is that Julia has a much stronger mental state than Alena ever did. She almost reminds me of 2010 Yuna based on how much she WANTS to win. Talk about a kid with nerves of steel.
    Julia is totally superior to also sotnikova and definitely tuktamisheva. Unfortunately this is not a battle of stregnths but of weaknesses. I wish it could be a discussion of who had the hardest jumps but it is totally about who messes up less. The worst of main mess-ups comes with liza's short programs. Sotnikova with ur and 3 flip disaster and then Julia with her lack of anything but 3t 3t. then you have leonova who was messing up all over and big accomplishment was beating gosviani.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Responding is not necessary"feeding". It can be trolling trolls, which is a valid internet rule, the only one that becomes available when moderation allows trolls.
    The devil is in the details. In that particular reference that was a response to the Chan advocate, who applied CoP for SLC as one of his agenda points in defence of Chan's wins. While in fact the zamboni wouldn't have won anything under 6.0.
    Well, fans will naturally defend their favorite skaters to the death--as defined by the term "fanatic." It would be a miracle if I could ever see anything wrong with my top ladies, or if I could bear any insult against them.

    Again, I don't find anything particularly infuriating with CSG's opinions, nor do I feel that much is to be gained from "trolling trolls" (and, IMO, giving them the attention they crave is always "feeding"). I'm simply asking for a forum more dedicated to the discussion of skating than to shutting others down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Julia is totally superior to also sotnikova and definitely tuktamisheva. Unfortunately this is not a battle of stregnths but of weaknesses. I wish it could be a discussion of who had the hardest jumps but it is totally about who messes up less. The worst of main mess-ups comes with liza's short programs. Sotnikova with ur and 3 flip disaster and then Julia with her lack of anything but 3t 3t. then you have leonova who was messing up all over and big accomplishment was beating gosviani.
    Sorry, but I disagree out of personal preference. Sotnikova's big jumps and sassy interpretation are much more suited to my palate than Lipnitskaia's wonky attempts at harder technical content and mechanical programs. Even Tukt, who has become notoriously inconsistent, is much more captivating and expressive--I often believe, correctly or incorrectly, that she is low-balled on PCS. That said, Lipnitskaia has a good chance at being named to the Olympic team if Tukt falters. There aren't many others standing in her way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    I'm simply asking for a forum more dedicated to the discussion of skating than to shutting others down.
    Discussion of what exactly? Your question in the op itself opens nothing but the gate for trolls. That's why you are on friendly terms with them. Guess why? Because you have to wait till the next New Year's Eve to answer your op. I hope you know why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Discussion of what exactly? Your question in the op itself opens nothing but the gate for trolls. That's why you are on friendly terms with them. Guess why? Because you have to wait till the next New Year's Eve to answer your op. I hope you know why.
    I'm not really sure what you're saying here, so no, I don't know why. But I can assure you that I'm not tolerant of trolls, nor do I bother wasting my time on them. What was my question? What do I have to wait until New Year's Eve for? That seems like a long time to wait for anything.

    This IS a figure skating forum, so I'd like to discuss...figure skating. Like which two Russian ladies will make it to the Olympics. I thought that that was pretty self-explanatory, but I guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    I'm not really sure what you're saying here, so no, I don't know why.
    I stopped reading your post here and I won't bother reading all the reast. The "why" means the RN will be at the New Year's Eve. That is when the Olympic team will be decided. Nobody knows what will happen there. As well as nobody could have known that some Gosviani, whose name wasn't much familiar to even Russian fans, would have won the spot for Euro. Wait till the girls hit the ice. All the rest is just speculations, predictions, whatever, that in fact is "feeding trolls" like CSG with his "based on recent competitions" and other invalid data. And then you say you advocate for not feeding trolls when in facts you do feed them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    I stopped reading your post here and I won't bother reading all the reast. The "why" means the RN will be at the New Year's Eve. That is when the Olympic team will be decided. Nobody knows what will happen there. As well as nobody could have known that some Gosviani, whose name wasn't much familiar to even Russian fans, would have won the spot for Euro. Wait till the girls hit the ice. All the rest is just speculations, predictions, whatever, that in fact is "feeding trolls" like CSG with his "based on recent competitions" and other invalid data. And then you say you advocate for not feeding trolls when in facts you do feed them!
    Again--these are MY predictions, MY speculations, and MY opinions, extrapolated from what I've seen in competitions this season from the Russian girls. This, as evidenced by the title, is a thread dedicated to such posts; if that offends you, then I suggest you take it up with the moderators, or speak privately with the OP, 96skiluvr. I, as it stands, cannot possibly "feed" someone who I don't consider a troll. If you do, then that's your prerogative.

    Please show some respect. I won't bother asking you again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    I, as it stands, cannot possibly "feed" someone who I don't consider a troll.
    Fair enough. You can always troll someone who you consider a troll. So can I.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    Sorry, but I disagree out of personal preference. Sotnikova's big jumps and sassy interpretation are much more suited to my palate than Lipnitskaia's wonky attempts at harder technical content and mechanical programs. Even Tukt, who has become notoriously inconsistent, is much more captivating and expressive--I often believe, correctly or incorrectly, that she is low-balled on PCS. That said, Lipnitskaia has a good chance at being named to the Olympic team if Tukt falters. There aren't many others standing in her way.
    I was thinking that Julia isn't just mentally stronger than leonova but also Adelina and Liza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I was thinking that Julia isn't just mentally stronger than leonova but also Adelina and Liza.
    Yeah, I'd drink to that. But, overall, I still find Adelina and Liza to be stronger skaters who really deliver when they're on. Julia delivers a good 70-80% of the time, but I'm never really moved or awed by her skating. She can pull out all of the big stops, but without an area where she's truly exceptional (Kim/Gold with jumps or Kostner/Asada in interpretation), she won't be able to surpass the older girls, or even Radionova, on a good day. In contrast, when Adelina skated this season, even to that headache-inducing FS piece, I could feel my foot tapping along. And Liza does a wonderful job with Latin-themed/sultry music, I think.

    Aside from MK and Yuna, though, Julia has one of the toughest mental states I've ever seen. Give her a few more seasons and she'll definitely be a force to be reckoned with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    Gosh, CSG is into Ladies now.
    Hah, if you knew me, you'd know I've never been into ladies. But nice try.

    And I'm basing it off the results from Worlds and Junior Worlds, where Lipnitskaia, even with less PCS than the top girls, would have placed in the top 5. Assuming she improves next season, she can clear 190 which is generally a top 5 worthy score.

    What's your deal with predictions? You say that Chan will fall in Sochi like at WTT/Worlds and the sport will suffer an apocalyptic death, but in this thread you criticize people for making predictions. Obviously we know that we won't know the results until the girls hit the ice. That's why they're called predictions. If you just want to knock people for making predictions in a predictions thread, add no value to the discussion, and just try to instigate other posters, then what's your purpose for even being here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Hah, if you knew me, you'd know I've never been into ladies. But nice try.

    And I'm basing it off the results from Worlds and Junior Worlds, where Lipnitskaia, even with less PCS than the top girls, would have placed in the top 5. Assuming she improves next season, she can clear 190 which is generally a top 5 worthy score.

    What's your deal with predictions? You say that Chan will fall in Sochi like at WTT/Worlds and the sport will suffer an apocalyptic death, but in this thread you criticize people for making predictions. Obviously we know that we won't know the results until the girls hit the ice. That's why they're called predictions. If you just want to knock people for making predictions in a predictions thread, add no value to the discussion, and just try to instigate other posters, then what's your purpose for even being here?
    190? That sounds a bit high, IMO. That's where Asada and Kostner currently are internationally, and as good as Lipnitskaia is, I don't think she'll reach their level next season. Her skating needs to be more exceptional before that happens--high PCS or TES, or both. She'll have to fight to keep up with Tukt, Sotnikova, Osmond, and the two top Americans, all of whom got crucial pre-Olympic experience at Worlds. Lipnitskaia could realistically challenge Li and Radionova, but that's about it.

    But ITA with everything else you've said here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    Hah, if you knew me, you'd know I've never been into ladies.
    Brr.. What do you mean if I knew you, I'd know you've never been into ladies?
    And I'm basing it off the results from Worlds and Junior Worlds, where Lipnitskaia,
    It's stupid argument to compare scores from different competitons where the skater didn't hit the ice. It's invalid and therefore is not worthy to be seriously considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    Yeah, I'd drink to that. But, overall, I still find Adelina and Liza to be stronger skaters who really deliver when they're on. Julia delivers a good 70-80% of the time, but I'm never really moved or awed by her skating. She can pull out all of the big stops, but without an area where she's truly exceptional (Kim/Gold with jumps or Kostner/Asada in interpretation), she won't be able to surpass the older girls, or even Radionova, on a good day. In contrast, when Adelina skated this season, even to that headache-inducing FS piece, I could feel my foot tapping along. And Liza does a wonderful job with Latin-themed/sultry music, I think.

    Aside from MK and Yuna, though, Julia has one of the toughest mental states I've ever seen. Give her a few more seasons and she'll definitely be a force to be reckoned with.

    Well I was really accustomed to reading that if sotnikova's program got a persons feet moving it was in running out of the rink! Hope she can do something that gets judges to respect her skills. And she gets her triple toe back and fixes her flip. Similar things with Liza. Maybe you can give her a good latin program and then she stays planted in the center of the ice. These flaws caused their 9th and 10th finishes at worlds and are unfortunate. It's why I think they could be totally thrown overboard for Julia.

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    I think Julia is a beautiful skater but to be honest I think her jumps are going to be gone next year. She gets so little height that when she fills in a bit she will not be able to finish the rotation unless she changes her technique considerably.

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