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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    I was thinking that Julia isn't just mentally stronger than leonova but also Adelina and Liza.
    Julia had a huge meltdown at Russia Jr.Nationals this year and was 20 points behind Elena Radionova. Of course, it was her first competition after her injury but I think it could be viewed as a preview of next season for her-she's not finished with puberty.

    Adelina and Liza had better jumps than Julia as a junior, yet they couldn't land their 3Lz+3T or 3Lz+3Lo consistently and had to change it to 3T+3T when they faced the puberty. The situation might be even worse with Julia.

    However, Julia can end up as being next Mirai Nagasu(and might end up with a lot of URs/downgrades appearing on protocols later..) in Sochi 2014. I think Julia would receive score around 190(considering it's being held in her home country) if she skates two programs. But there are other skaters who are capable of scoring 190+ with programs that aren't exactly clean(but almost clean) like Ashley, Gracie, Adelina, Kanako, and Akiko-I don't know if it'll be enough for her to place inside top 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vera01 View Post
    Julia had a huge meltdown at Russia Jr.Nationals this year and was 20 points behind Elena Radionova. Of course, it was her first competition after her injury but I think it could be viewed as a preview of next season for her-she's not finished with puberty.
    Well, she didn't have a "huge meltdown": she skated a clean SP that included a 3Lz+3T and made only one big mistake in the FS (the fall)+one UR and almost two-footed 3F. She finished off the podium and 20 points behind Radionova because all the other girls skated almost perfect programs and didn't make mistakes: Julia's performance was not disastrous at all, the result actually was (for her standards)... But I agree with the rest of your post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    190? That sounds a bit high, IMO. That's where Asada and Kostner currently are internationally, and as good as Lipnitskaia is, I don't think she'll reach their level next season. Her skating needs to be more exceptional before that happens--high PCS or TES, or both. She'll have to fight to keep up with Tukt, Sotnikova, Osmond, and the two top Americans, all of whom got crucial pre-Olympic experience at Worlds. Lipnitskaia could realistically challenge Li and Radionova, but that's about it.

    But ITA with everything else you've said here.
    At Junior Worlds in 2012 her score was 187, and that was with "junior" level PCS. Assuming she repeats a performance like that, she can potentially clear 190. That score of 187 would have been good enough for silver at that year's Worlds, and been just shy of Ashley Wagner's 5th at this past Worlds. As she grows her consistency becomes questionable, but she's at least challenging herself with 3Z+3T, when really she just needs to continue doing 2A+3T+2T and 2A+3T to max out her technical scores. http://www.isuresults.com/results/wj..._FS_Scores.pdf As much as people want to say you can't consider competitions where skaters didn't compete against each other, there's no denying her technical scores -- at this year's Worlds, those scores would have had the 3rd best TES in the SP, and (with the ChSp1 added in) the 2nd best TES in the LP.

    It's unfortunate though that she's kinda turned into Tuktamysheva, with excellent consistency and scoring potential, but then loses it halfway through the season following her uber-consistent season. I certainly don't think anyone can count her out, particularly for the Russian title. Also bear in mind that she made the Grand Prix final, and was the most successful Russian on the Grand Prix circuit last year.

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    My wish team would be : (1 spot) Adelina Sotnikova and (2nd spot) Julia Lipniskaya

    But, if Ksenia Makarova make huge improvement over the season, I wish that she take the 2nd spot cause her artistry is unique and more enjoyable than many of the others Russian ladies.

    And, it's sad that Nikol Gosviani doesn't have any attention by the Russian federation, she is beautiful and look like a version of Alissa Czisny But because of her lack of international experience, she has low chance to be select for the olympic team :(

    I would only be happy if Elizaveta Tuktamisheva take the 2nd spot only if she change her choregrapher (change those ugly shaking arm movement especially) and her ugly black dress, maybe it's her style but she could find better costume, actually she has a beautiful body and face, so if she present herself more feminine, I would be much interest by her skating. cause she is great!

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    I have soft spot for Ksenia and Alena, but their chances of making the Russian Olympic team are minimal at best. Then again, their PCS will be high, and should they put out a clean skate, they could knock one of Sot/Tuk/Lip off the podium. I think an Olympic berth is out of reach for Ksenia and Alena might have cooked her chances given her performance at the past Worlds. Who knows though... Sot/Tuk/Lip are having errors and aren't consistent - though not as inconsistent as Leo/Mak - so you never know.

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    Putting Ksenia into the same category as Alena is simply laughable, and a huge insult to Alena. Alena as a former World medalist can be still given a fighting (albeit outside) shot at making the team (although some would say otherwise at this point). Ksenia has absolutely no shot whatsoever of making it, even if she skated cleanly and the event was a splatfest she would still miss it by 2 or 3 spots. At Nationals this year Ksenia had her best competition in years and still finished below Alena who bombed again, and Alena was then named to the World team over someone who finished over her to boot. The PCS projection is wrong too, at this point Ksenia will not get high PCS and lower than most or all the young skaters probably. Unlike Alena she has done nothing past that would make the Russian fed. even consider her in the mix with all the young skaters coming up.

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    Sotnikova and Tuk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolboogie22 View Post

    I would only be happy if Elizaveta Tuktamisheva take the 2nd spot only if she change her choregrapher (change those ugly shaking arm movement especially) and her ugly black dress, maybe it's her style but she could find better costume, actually she has a beautiful body and face, so if she present herself more feminine, I would be much interest by her skating. cause she is great!
    Do you know who was her choreographer? And her arm movement are great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by plushyfan View Post
    Do you know who was her choreographer? And her arm movement are great.
    Wilson, right?

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    It's pretty obvious that Adelina and Liza are to compete in Sochi. And all these RN, EC and GP are just blah blah because 1)Adele is from CSKA, the "goooood" club and don't forget TAT's participation 2) Mishin will lobby Liza anyway and she has sponsors (samsung) 3) no one will go for Julia even if she skates better than A and L as Eteri is not that gooood as Vodoresova
    And I don't take into consideration others - their chances are less than miserable. Everything has been settled for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Well, she didn't have a "huge meltdown": she skated a clean SP that included a 3Lz+3T and made only one big mistake in the FS (the fall)+one UR and almost two-footed 3F. She finished off the podium and 20 points behind Radionova because all the other girls skated almost perfect programs and didn't make mistakes: Julia's performance was not disastrous at all, the result actually was (for her standards)... But I agree with the rest of your post.
    Few junior programs are as strong as Russia's so i think that of equal or greater importance is Julia almost beating radionova a jr worlds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliCruise View Post
    It's pretty obvious that Adelina and Liza are to compete in Sochi. And all these RN, EC and GP are just blah blah because 1)Adele is from CSKA, the "goooood" club and don't forget TAT's participation 2) Mishin will lobby Liza anyway and she has sponsors (samsung) 3) no one will go for Julia even if she skates better than A and L as Eteri is not that gooood as Vodoresova
    And I don't take into consideration others - their chances are less than miserable. Everything has been settled for sure.
    First post!

    Well I am just wondering if they look like they are struggling and don't make the gpf will that loosen their grips on these spots! I doubt Russia wants another worlds 2013 disaster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    First post!

    Well I am just wondering if they look like they are struggling and don't make the gpf will that loosen their grips on these spots! I doubt Russia wants another worlds 2013 disaster.
    I think they'll have a hard time making the GPF as it is. Yuna, Mao, and Carolina are almost locks for the final, and then you have veterans like Ashley and Akiko, and surging newcomers like Gracie and Kaetlyn. Julia and Liza both qualified last year, but the competition is much stiffer in the Olympic season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    I think they'll have a hard time making the GPF as it is. Yuna, Mao, and Carolina are almost locks for the final, and then you have veterans like Ashley and Akiko, and surging newcomers like Gracie and Kaetlyn. Julia and Liza both qualified last year, but the competition is much stiffer in the Olympic season.
    Agreed. Should one of them make it, then it will definitely boost their stock. It'll be quite telling to see how they do in individual grand prix events, particularly relative to each other. But then again, last season Tuktamysheva had a poor start but then rocked it at Russian Nationals, but then crumbled at Worlds. I think whoever wins Russian nationals should get one spot and then it'll be between the remaining two (of Sot/Lip/Tuk), and that'll be the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    Wilson, right?
    Right!

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