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2013 - 2014 Russian skaters, rules, and events

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Thanks for starting the thread, Alex.

Friendly question:
I know that last season's thread also was in References, but I never understood why.
Why not The Edge? :confused2: Many posts in last year's thread had news updates regarding countless Russian skaters.
 
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Friendly question:
I know that last season's thread also was in References, but I never understood why.

It was moderators' solution - to move thread here. I started it in "The Edge".
In "2012 - 2013 Russian skaters, rules, and events" were many references and info (including official), so moderators solved so.
 
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Team Russia 2013 - 2014 - Men.

Senior
Sergei VORONOV
Artur GACHINSKI
Maxim KOVTUN
Konstantin MENSHOV
Evgeni PLUSHENKO

Junior
Alexey Genya (born 17 Sep 1999)
Mikhail KOLYADA
Murad Kurbanov (born 6 Now 1996)
Artem Lezheev (born 13 Oct 1996)
Alexander PETROV
Adian PITKEEV
Alexander SAMARIN
Vladislav TARASENKO

Boys, Girls 1993-2002 lower than "Junior" status
Stanislav Andryunin (born 09 Feb 2000)
Daniil Bernadiner (born 28 Mar 2000)
Andrei ZUBER
Moris Kvitelashvili (born 17 Mar 1995)
Alexey Krasnozhon (born 11 Apr 2000)
Andrei Lazukin (born 19 Now 1997)
Dmitry Mikhailov (born 15 Apr 1998)
Roman Savosin (born 04 Dec 1999)

Reserve
Vladislav Sezganov (born 03 Jul 1988)

My comment:
All looks normal. Top 5 of SrNationals are in Senior Team, best Juniors in Junior Team, good but not so good Juniors in Boys-Girls, good (but not very good) Sezganov in Reserve.
 

hanca

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Do you have any explanation why Davankova-Deputat are in reserve? I thought the reserve team is used for those who are not good enough to be in junior team or senior team. Although Davankova-Deputat were a bit weaker than the previous year, they were still pretty decent (2nd and 3rd at JGP, 2nd at JGPF, 7th senior nationals), with better results than Maria Vygalova / Egor Zakroev and Kamila Gainetdinova / Ivan Bich. So I am wondering why Maria Vygalova / Egor Zakroev and Kamila Gainetdinova / Ivan Bich are on junior team and Davankova-Deputat are not? Did they aged out of junior and are not yet good enough for seniors?

Another question - why Biryukova is not even in reserve team when Agafonova and Shershak are in reserve team?
 

dorispulaski

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Since Pogorilaya is listed as junior, will she be doing the JGP this fall, or the senior GP, since her place at Jr. Worlds qualifies her for a spot?
 

hanca

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Where she is listed doesn't really mean where she will be competing. For example Sotnikova and Tuktamysheva were listed in senior team a year or two before they were even eligible to compete is senior competition. It seems that they make the team according to how they see their results, not where the skaters are going to compete.
 
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Do you have any explanation why Davankova-Deputat are in reserve? I thought the reserve team is used for those who are not good enough to be in junior team or senior team. Although Davankova-Deputat were a bit weaker than the previous year, they were still pretty decent (2nd and 3rd at JGP, 2nd at JGPF, 7th senior nationals), with better results than Maria Vygalova / Egor Zakroev and Kamila Gainetdinova / Ivan Bich. So I am wondering why Maria Vygalova / Egor Zakroev and Kamila Gainetdinova / Ivan Bich are on junior team and Davankova-Deputat are not? Did they aged out of junior and are not yet good enough for seniors?

It is not understandable for me.
At 2012-2013 Shelepen, who had good results of season (medals of JGP Events (2 Gold medals) and Final (Silver medal), 2nd place at JrNats, 1st place at Spartakiad, was in Reserve. Also not understandable.

At 2013/2014 Season Davankova-Deputat may be both Junior and Senior. At 2014-15 - only Senior, Deputat will be too old for Junior.

Another question - why Biryukova is not even in reserve team when Agafonova and Shershak are in reserve team?
Biryukova - no good results at season. 17th of 18 at Nationals, two 9th places (of 9 both times, i.e. last places) at GP Events.

Shershak also not good (her only competition was JGP Event V, 7th place). But not so bad as Biryukova - not the last place.
 
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Since Pogorilaya is listed as junior
Why?
She is eligible by age for Senior competitions at 2013/2014.
All her results - place at Senior Nationals, Season Best, Season World Ranking are higher than Gosviani and Leonova.
3 of total of 4 her Internalional results are higher than Season Best of both Leonova and Gosviani (and higher than best result of Gosviani's Senior B competition also; Leonova had not Senior B's in season).

Pogorilaya earned 4 medals at her 4 ISU Events, including JGP Final and JrWorlds.
Both Leonova and Gosviani have no medals of ISU Events in season.

Who can understand why Pogorilaya is not at Senior Team while Leonova and Gosviani are?

Leonova - understandable, glorious past, including Silver of Worlds.
But Gosviani had no real succes at previous seasons.

will she be doing the JGP this fall, or the senior GP, since her place at Jr. Worlds qualifies her for a spot?

I don't know.
Hope that she will take place in Senior GP. Medal of JrWorlds means nothing for it - she has a spot because she is in Top24 of Season Best (19th).

Btw, her Personal Best is higher than Agnes Zawadzki's, who is JGP Event Medalist.
So why not?

But it is unkvown - Federation gives data about skaters who take or not take place in GP to ISU. And what will it give?
 

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Thanks for starting the thread, Alex.

Friendly question:
I know that last season's thread also was in References, but I never understood why.
Why not The Edge? :confused2: Many posts in last year's thread had news updates regarding countless Russian skaters.

It was moderators' solution - to move thread here. I started it in "The Edge".
In "2012 - 2013 Russian skaters, rules, and events" were many references and info (including official), so moderators solved so.

Attn: Doris and/or other mods

Would you consider allowing this season's thread to return to The Edge? Thx if you do.
Although last season's had a good volume of traffic in References, I strongly believe that this season's would get an even higher number of views if it were in The Edge. [My humble opinion is based on a whopping sample size of one ;).]

The entire content of this season's thread so far fits this criterion of The Edge: "updates on skaters and teams".
 
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In celebration of Volosozhar's birthday, Trankov has posted a very affectionate message via Twitter and Instagram.


Pretty darn cute. :hb:

Text at instagram:

Happy birthday*, my dear Tanechka! Let all your dreams will come true! ! ! I adore you, and I'm happy that I carry you on hands every day! You are my queen!

*Word "birthday" is on Ukrainian language, she is from Ukraine.
 

vera01

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I noted that Stepanova/Bukin are listed as a senior, too. Maybe this would mean that they're going to be competing as a senior next season?
 

FSGMT

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I noted that Stepanova/Bukin are listed as a senior, too. Maybe this would mean that they're going to be competing as a senior next season?
If this happens, R/T could be left out of the Olympic team...
 

ForeverFish

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I can't read Russian, so I'm hoping someone can enlighten me: Does it say whether or not Radionova will be skating as a senior next season?
 

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Mods:
Thanks very much for moving this thread to The Edge! :bow: :agree: :yay: :clap: :love:
 

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The interview with the judge E.V. Bogdanova (singles and pair skating, retired from international events now, used to judges WCs, as well as Olympics in Nagano and SLC) in the latest Russian magazine "Moskovskii figurist":
http://mosfigurist.ru/?p=1047
full magazine issue is here: http://www.figurist.ru/zhurnal_moskovkii_figurist/Figurist_1_2013.pdf


(partly translated):


- The CoP has been in the international practice for 10 years. Still it is being the subject of critics in the professional environment and gets conflicting comments from enthusiastic to negative. How do you explain this phenomenon?

- Definitely it's hard to tell if its a good system or not. For judges, for example, the system is very convenient because they received anonymity. Since nowdays the judges almost never 'break out' of the average scores of the whole team, they are rarely receive any penalties and especially disqualification. As for the athletes and coaches, this system often brings surprises, good for some, bad for others. The new system was introduced in the hope of somehow to get rid of subjectivity, suggesting that it is possible. ... However, all the attempts to escape the influence of the human factor on the result always fail. Judging will always be subjective because it is based on the opinions of the people. ...

Moreover, this system requires judges not to compare athletes with each other (as we did before). Personally, I have always been baffled by this: how not to compare athletes if the competition takes place to compare them in the first place. But according to this system, judges should compare not athletes with each other but they should compare the execution of the elements to some ideal standard.
......

- Why this system rises such mixed reviews in figure skating community?

- Any judging is supposed to evaluate the work of the coach and the athlete. At the competition they present for the judges the program drawn up in accordance with the requirements of the new judging system, which includes an execustion of elements, skating skills, choreography, presentation and so on. Of course the coach and the athlete tried to do everything as best as possible and took into account all the novelties of the season. But sometimes their work gets crashed on some new features, that get added more and more every year.

It seems to me that the annual increase in the requirements of the level of elements, the appearance of some new features or levels depending on the inclination of the body, excessive turnover or rotation, is not always decorates the program, as well as contributes to the morbidity of the joints and spine. Why would the members of the Technical Committee in developing of all these annual changes in levels, turnings and other features of complications, sometimes quite casuistic, not consult with leading coaches? This would lead to a better understanding between coaches, athletes and judges.
......

- Evgeniya Valentinovna, when it is easier to be a judge - then or now?

- Of course now is easier. Now it has become easier to work as a judge because now judges are little concerned. All the technical aspects, including to simply name the elements, are defined by the technical team. All under-rotations, levels of difficulty, the presence or absence of features or elements in footworks or step sequences, are determined by the technical team, because they have an opportunity to see the elements again in slow motion. But if the technical specialists due to whatever reasons sometimes fail to determine correctly the edge call, under-rotation or the absence of some feature in the footwork, then all the work on the program is going down the drain, which is very sad. In this regard, it seems to me that in the new judging system a technical specialist gets too much power. He practically decides the fate of the performance. Although there is also the tech controller and the tech assistant in the tech team, but in case of the dispute the decision is made by two votes against one. Of course I understand that only the best athletes and coaches can be technical experts, but they also have their preferences, likes and interests. And it turns out that a quarter of under-rotation lowers the jump for some and doesn't lower it for others. Basically, the technical team can change the position of the athlete in the standing in several places in one direction or another, up or down. Maybe it would be better to make slow motion available for all the judges, and they would decide themselves all the technical aspects of the program. The opinions of several qualified judges would be more objective than the opinion of one, even a very highly qualified specialist.

Under the 6.0 system the judge gave all the score and was fully responsible for it. ... Under the new system, if a judge's PCS and GOE remains in the corridor of the overall scoring, it is impossible to accuse him of anything. In order to do that the judge's score must stand out from the average score. Therefore, the action of judges is now almost never punished, and besides that, they are protected by anonymity.
 

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venlac

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All the technical aspects, including to simply name the elements, are defined by the technical team. All under-rotations, levels of difficulty, the presence or absence of features or elements in footworks or step sequences, are determined by the technical team, because they have an opportunity to see the elements again in slow motion. But if the technical specialists due to whatever reasons sometimes fail to determine correctly the edge call, under-rotation or the absence of some feature in the footwork, then all the work on the program is going down the drain, which is very sad. In this regard, it seems to me that in the new judging system a technical specialist gets too much power. He practically decides the fate of the performance. Although there is also the tech controller and the tech assistant in the tech team, but in case of the dispute the decision is made by two votes against one. Of course I understand that only the best athletes and coaches can be technical experts, but they also have their preferences, likes and interests. And it turns out that a quarter of under-rotation lowers the jump for some and doesn't lower it for others. Basically, the technical team can change the position of the athlete in the standing in several places in one direction or another, up or down. Maybe it would be better to make slow motion available for all the judges, and they would decide themselves all the technical aspects of the program. The opinions of several qualified judges would be more objective than the opinion of one, even a very highly qualified specialist.

especially i agree on this part. thanks for translation
 
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