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    The interview with the judge E.V. Bogdanova (singles and pair skating, retired from international events now, used to judges WCs, as well as Olympics in Nagano and SLC) in the latest Russian magazine "Moskovskii figurist":
    http://mosfigurist.ru/?p=1047
    full magazine issue is here: http://www.figurist.ru/zhurnal_mosko...ist_1_2013.pdf


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    - The CoP has been in the international practice for 10 years. Still it is being the subject of critics in the professional environment and gets conflicting comments from enthusiastic to negative. How do you explain this phenomenon?

    - Definitely it's hard to tell if its a good system or not. For judges, for example, the system is very convenient because they received anonymity. Since nowdays the judges almost never 'break out' of the average scores of the whole team, they are rarely receive any penalties and especially disqualification. As for the athletes and coaches, this system often brings surprises, good for some, bad for others. The new system was introduced in the hope of somehow to get rid of subjectivity, suggesting that it is possible. ... However, all the attempts to escape the influence of the human factor on the result always fail. Judging will always be subjective because it is based on the opinions of the people. ...

    Moreover, this system requires judges not to compare athletes with each other (as we did before). Personally, I have always been baffled by this: how not to compare athletes if the competition takes place to compare them in the first place. But according to this system, judges should compare not athletes with each other but they should compare the execution of the elements to some ideal standard.
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    - Why this system rises such mixed reviews in figure skating community?

    - Any judging is supposed to evaluate the work of the coach and the athlete. At the competition they present for the judges the program drawn up in accordance with the requirements of the new judging system, which includes an execustion of elements, skating skills, choreography, presentation and so on. Of course the coach and the athlete tried to do everything as best as possible and took into account all the novelties of the season. But sometimes their work gets crashed on some new features, that get added more and more every year.

    It seems to me that the annual increase in the requirements of the level of elements, the appearance of some new features or levels depending on the inclination of the body, excessive turnover or rotation, is not always decorates the program, as well as contributes to the morbidity of the joints and spine. Why would the members of the Technical Committee in developing of all these annual changes in levels, turnings and other features of complications, sometimes quite casuistic, not consult with leading coaches? This would lead to a better understanding between coaches, athletes and judges.
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    - Evgeniya Valentinovna, when it is easier to be a judge - then or now?

    - Of course now is easier. Now it has become easier to work as a judge because now judges are little concerned. All the technical aspects, including to simply name the elements, are defined by the technical team. All under-rotations, levels of difficulty, the presence or absence of features or elements in footworks or step sequences, are determined by the technical team, because they have an opportunity to see the elements again in slow motion. But if the technical specialists due to whatever reasons sometimes fail to determine correctly the edge call, under-rotation or the absence of some feature in the footwork, then all the work on the program is going down the drain, which is very sad. In this regard, it seems to me that in the new judging system a technical specialist gets too much power. He practically decides the fate of the performance. Although there is also the tech controller and the tech assistant in the tech team, but in case of the dispute the decision is made by two votes against one. Of course I understand that only the best athletes and coaches can be technical experts, but they also have their preferences, likes and interests. And it turns out that a quarter of under-rotation lowers the jump for some and doesn't lower it for others. Basically, the technical team can change the position of the athlete in the standing in several places in one direction or another, up or down. Maybe it would be better to make slow motion available for all the judges, and they would decide themselves all the technical aspects of the program. The opinions of several qualified judges would be more objective than the opinion of one, even a very highly qualified specialist.

    Under the 6.0 system the judge gave all the score and was fully responsible for it. ... Under the new system, if a judge's PCS and GOE remains in the corridor of the overall scoring, it is impossible to accuse him of anything. In order to do that the judge's score must stand out from the average score. Therefore, the action of judges is now almost never punished, and besides that, they are protected by anonymity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    The interview with the judge E.V. Bogdanova (singles and pair skating, retired from international events now, used to judges WCs, as well as Olympics in Nagano and SLC) in the latest Russian magazine "Moskovskii figurist":
    http://mosfigurist.ru/?p=1047
    full magazine issue is here: http://www.figurist.ru/zhurnal_mosko...ist_1_2013.pdf


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    A very honest and clear analysis, many thanks for translation

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    Thank you for the translation!

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    All the technical aspects, including to simply name the elements, are defined by the technical team. All under-rotations, levels of difficulty, the presence or absence of features or elements in footworks or step sequences, are determined by the technical team, because they have an opportunity to see the elements again in slow motion. But if the technical specialists due to whatever reasons sometimes fail to determine correctly the edge call, under-rotation or the absence of some feature in the footwork, then all the work on the program is going down the drain, which is very sad. In this regard, it seems to me that in the new judging system a technical specialist gets too much power. He practically decides the fate of the performance. Although there is also the tech controller and the tech assistant in the tech team, but in case of the dispute the decision is made by two votes against one. Of course I understand that only the best athletes and coaches can be technical experts, but they also have their preferences, likes and interests. And it turns out that a quarter of under-rotation lowers the jump for some and doesn't lower it for others. Basically, the technical team can change the position of the athlete in the standing in several places in one direction or another, up or down. Maybe it would be better to make slow motion available for all the judges, and they would decide themselves all the technical aspects of the program. The opinions of several qualified judges would be more objective than the opinion of one, even a very highly qualified specialist.
    especially i agree on this part. thanks for translation

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    Quote Originally Posted by vera01 View Post
    I noted that Stepanova/Bukin are listed as a senior, too. Maybe this would mean that they're going to be competing as a senior next season?
    I'm glad! They are very good!

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    some recent videos of Radionova and Sotnikova skating in CSKA
    dated May 25, 2013

    They are performing their galas and finally we get to see Radionova's Russian Folk Gala:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN-wvrEiZaA

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    some recent videos of Radionova and Sotnikova skating in CSKA
    dated May 25, 2013

    They are performing their galas and finally we get to see Radionova's Russian Folk Gala:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN-wvrEiZaA
    thanks for this video... During one hour of video, they are showed for 5 minutes.
    20:19~ Radionova's Russian Folk Gala / 22:07~ Sotnikova "Bolero"

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    some recent videos of Radionova and Sotnikova skating in CSKA
    dated May 25, 2013

    They are performing their galas and finally we get to see Radionova's Russian Folk Gala:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN-wvrEiZaA
    Thank you!

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    How wonderful! Elena looks like a little doll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexRus View Post
    Why?
    She is eligible by age for Senior competitions at 2013/2014.
    All her results - place at Senior Nationals, Season Best, Season World Ranking are higher than Gosviani and Leonova.
    3 of total of 4 her Internalional results are higher than Season Best of both Leonova and Gosviani (and higher than best result of Gosviani's Senior B competition also; Leonova had not Senior B's in season).

    Pogorilaya earned 4 medals at her 4 ISU Events, including JGP Final and JrWorlds.
    Both Leonova and Gosviani have no medals of ISU Events in season.

    Who can understand why Pogorilaya is not at Senior Team while Leonova and Gosviani are?

    Leonova - understandable, glorious past, including Silver of Worlds.
    But Gosviani had no real succes at previous seasons.



    I don't know.
    Hope that she will take place in Senior GP. Medal of JrWorlds means nothing for it - she has a spot because she is in Top24 of Season Best (19th).

    Btw, her Personal Best is higher than Agnes Zawadzki's, who is JGP Event Medalist.
    So why not?

    But it is unkvown - Federation gives data about skaters who take or not take place in GP to ISU. And what will it give?
    This is all true but I think if she is on the junior team, it means she competes in JGP in the fall. Being on the senior team while ineligible for senior events is likely just due to finishing 1st or 2nd at Nationals, so that is different, but Anna was 5th at Nationals, ahead of Gosviani and Leonova who are both on the senior team. I agree she showed more promise last season than either Gosviani or Leonova, but my guess is the Fed probably wants her to wait her turn and told her team to stay junior for another season, likely because they do not want to have another girl to be in the mix for Olympic team consideration where there are only 2 spots and already a number of girls in contention. She could still go to the Olympics, Euros, or Worlds after competing on JGP in the fall like Ksenia did, but it is unlikely.

    She had the spot in senior GP garaunteed due to SB, and with her results it is likely she could get 2 assignments, so my guess is either the fed told her team to stay junior or Anna and her coach decided it was best for her to stay junior another season. I agree it's kind of silly, if Gosviani, Leonova, and Korobeynikova can compete on the GP, which they likely all will, then Pogorilaya's results from last season (better than all those girls) indicate she would be able to hold her own on the senior GP as well. I know she is young, but she is old enough for seniors this coming season and she has the hard jumps, speed, and power to compete with the big girls already even if her skating needs more refinement. To me these selections don't always make sense. This girl is skating well now and medaled in every international she competed in last season despite being unknown. She is a very talented jumper and the Eurosport guys even commented on the amount of power she had, which considering her age and build is a pretty impressive, her speed across the ice and spins is also better than most of her junior competitors, I wouldn't be surprised if this is why she got high PCS (for juniors) despite seeming "gangly" and "unpolished". In the future this may change, so why not give her the chance to compete on the big stage now when she is skating so well?

    I think Shelepen was kept on the JGP too long and now I fear they are doing the same to Pogorilaya. By the time Shelepen moved up to seniors she was dealing with injuries and no longer skating well, whereas had she moved up a season or two beforehand when she was very consistent and a jumping machine, she likely would have done well and could have helped her chances to make Euro and World teams where she likely would have done better than Makarova. Kind of silly IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden411 View Post
    In celebration of Volosozhar's birthday, Trankov has posted a very affectionate message via Twitter and Instagram.


    Pretty darn cute.
    This sort of messages make me think they are an off ice couple. It's very sweet of Maxim. He is a happy man. Finally...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kasik8222 View Post
    This sort of messages make me think they are an off ice couple.
    I'm sure they are....

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    I hope so I admire Stanislav. He stands it with dignity. I read they are no longer together with Tatiana. I have always loved russian pairs and their style (maybe except Totmianina and Marinin and Petrova Tikhonov). When I was a little girl I used to watch Natalia and Artur. It was so unreal comparing to polish skaters back then We had G. Filipowski and Siudeks and that's all for now (their artistic impression was not even close to The best in the business). I fell in love with Tatiana and Maxim at first sign. They did not always deserve the marks they got but in the end their Worlds gold was unquuestionable.
    I know their 2012/2013 programs were not everyone's cup of tea but their chemistry is amazing. Aliona and Robin are very innovative but there is no "passion". There is beauty but there is no passion (if you ask me, you can argue). I am curious what they will show us in 2014. I bet germans will also have something special because it can't be worse now...
    I hope Tatiana and Maxim will get unquestionable gold in Sochi and stay for another four years. They deserve each other. It was a match made in heaven.

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    A video interview with Konstantin Menshov is now available on our homepage: http://www.figureskating-online.com/...n-menshov.html
    An English translation is provided.

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