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Thread: 2013 - 2014 Russian skaters, rules, and events

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    It's the Tarasova mentality that when she needs to 3Lz-3L clean she will! Like Mao and her axels or Kulik and the last minute of a free skate. I don't see it changing at any point during the season because they just do not accept that she can't do 3/3 clean or two flips in a FS. A lot of time last season the triple flip was done in the SP. Why she can't do two in a FS is a cause of frustration in the coaches but they will not stop giving her 2 flips.
    praying and hoping landing your jumps just wont cut it anymore, needs technique overhaual, maybe a season with Mishin on summer camps will help
    just jumps techniques with him, she has improved her presentation marks but what good will that be if you keep UR and falling ?

    her team is blind not see a problem, the closest 3-3 she can rotate is her 3T-3T, her 3Lo solo is usually solid, ditch the 3F in SP to maximize points
    and she wont have to worry about popping or falling on her Flip , she can afford her 3LZ-3Lo in her FS and do 1 3F in, is that too much to ask ?

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    Adelina should try 3T-3T and 3Lo as the jumps in her SP. I'm not sure she can get the 3T-3T ratified, but it has a better chance of happening than getting this 3Flutz-2.5Loop combo ratified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selene View Post
    Adelina should try 3T-3T and 3Lo as the jumps in her SP. I'm not sure she can get the 3T-3T ratified, but it has a better chance of happening than getting this 3Flutz-2.5Loop combo ratified.
    apparently, her team doesnt see any UR/downgrade problems, lol
    I agree ditch this 3Flutz combos and stick with 3T-3T then she can do her solo 3Lo which is usually good jump for her

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    apparently, her team doesnt see any UR/downgrade problems, lol
    I agree ditch this 3Flutz combos and stick with 3T-3T then she can do her solo 3Lo which is usually good jump for her
    Her coaches seem to have an inflated sense of her technical abilities. She could really make some noise if they would give her a proper jump layout, because her SP is amazing. It's wonderfully choreographed and she does a great job performing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    praying and hoping landing your jumps just wont cut it anymore, needs technique overhaual, maybe a season with Mishin on summer camps will help
    just jumps techniques with him, she has improved her presentation marks but what good will that be if you keep UR and falling ?

    her team is blind not see a problem, the closest 3-3 she can rotate is her 3T-3T, her 3Lo solo is usually solid, ditch the 3F in SP to maximize points
    and she wont have to worry about popping or falling on her Flip , she can afford her 3LZ-3Lo in her FS and do 1 3F in, is that too much to ask ?
    Praying and Hoping is what they are going with! How else could it be explained how far they have removed themselves from doing 3T-3T! Last season was all 3flutz-3toe< and then for some reason they go with a combo with a triple LOOP on the end! What else can they be doing but praying and hoping! Not only that Adelina will do clean 3 lutz but be one of the only skaters in the world who can get a triple loop ratified when its the second jump in a combo! This is just strange what's going on! Even the technical caller found it impossible to even credit her with a 3/3 attempt! They are designing for Olympic Gold and praying and hoping that it will all be clean and she'll win the Olympics. There is just no reasonable view of her technical abilities or what the technical callers do to triple loops when there are the second jump in a combo. Mao did do ratified triple axels as a senior all the time so it was reasonable to believe Mao could get them. There's no reason to give Sotnikova 3lz-3L combos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    apparently, her team doesnt see any UR/downgrade problems, lol
    I agree ditch this 3Flutz combos and stick with 3T-3T then she can do her solo 3Lo which is usually good jump for her
    I'm sure her team is well aware of her issues, but would other content really be better for her? Adelina said it several times and it's pretty clear that she is more comfortable with 3 loop in combination. URed 3Lo gives more points than URed 3T, I'd say if she's able to make it < and not << - go for it, especially if it's more comfortable and consistent combination for her. 3T-3T wouldn't score much (if any) higher and there's always a possibility to underrotate the second toe. Same with the flips, it's actually a good jump for her if she lands it, she even does it in her exhibitions. She singled her flips at the GP last season, but then they changed the entrance a bit and Adelina landed beautiful flips in her SP later in the season and did it effortlessly now too. LP is another story, but I think we should wait for tomorrow to see her jump content and how she will do

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lucky Star View Post
    I'm sure her team is well aware of her issues, but would other content really be better for her? Adelina said it several times and it's pretty clear that she is more comfortable with 3 loop in combination. URed 3Lo gives more points than URed 3T, I'd say if she's able to make it < and not << - go for it, especially if it's more comfortable and consistent combination for her. 3T-3T wouldn't score much (if any) higher and there's always a possibility to underrotate the second toe. Same with the flips, it's actually a good jump for her if she lands it, she even does it in her exhibitions. She singled her flips at the GP last season, but then they changed the entrance a bit and Adelina landed beautiful flips in her SP later in the season and did it effortlessly now too. LP is another story, but I think we should wait for tomorrow to see her jump content and how she will do
    strange she would rather still get a < than << but thats still not worth more than the later
    her combo her looked like a double loop with extra rotation

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    I hope Adelina pulls the 3Z/3R combo out of her programs very soon. The 3R isn't even close. It's not even a "risky" move, because the outcome is certain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I hope Adelina pulls the 3Z/3R combo out of her programs very soon. The 3R isn't even close. It's not even a "risky" move, because the outcome is certain.
    The 3L-3R combo used to be powerful under 6.0 but with COP the second 3R is never likely to be ratified as a triple. I think 3L-3t is a safer combination, but I don't know if Adelina can land it consistently. If she cannot, she may be better off with a 3L-2R and getting high GOEs on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I hope Adelina pulls the 3Z/3R combo out of her programs very soon. The 3R isn't even close. It's not even a "risky" move, because the outcome is certain.
    Not to mention it prevents her from doing 3lo as her solo jump. 3lo is one of her strongest and more consistent triples, doing a risky combo like that with risky solo triple just isn't smart. If she wants to upgrade her combo from 3t-3t then that's fine, do 3lz-3t and 3lo, then at least she can count on getting credit for the solo triple rather than worry about popping or falling on it.

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    Thoughts on Serafima Sakhanovich's JGP debut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 96skiluvr View Post
    Thoughts on Serafima Sakhanovich's JGP debut?
    except for the SP very impressive. Kind of like Tuktamisheva's debut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 96skiluvr View Post
    Thoughts on Serafima Sakhanovich's JGP debut?
    She's going through a growth spurt. Thought she did fine to comeback in the LP!!!! So good for her for fighting back!!!!

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    Ladies Freeskate Results Russian Cup 1 (Perm)

    1 Adelina Sotnikova
    MOS 124.55 60.35 65.20 8.25 8.05 8.00 8.25 8.20 1.00 # 14
    2 Diana Pervushkina
    TOL 116.26 66.90 B 49.36 6.20 6.10 6.15 6.30 6.10 0.00 # 12
    3 Maria Artemyev
    SPB 107.65 53.29 B 55.36 7.05 6.75 6.85 7.00 6.95 1.00 # 11
    4 Nicole GOSVIYANI
    SPB 106.30 49.86 57.44 7.25 7.05 7.00 7.40 7.20 1.00 # 10
    5 Alina MAKSIMOVA
    MOS 93.53 44.25 49.28 6.25 6.00 6.10 6.30 6.15 0.00 # 8
    6 Antonina DUBININA
    MOB 85.54 46.90 38.64 5.00 4.70 4.70 5.00 4.75 0.00 # 5
    7 Svetlana Lebedeva
    MOS 82.77 39.01 43.76 5.65 5.35 5.35 5.55 5.45 0.00 # 9
    8 Tatiana FEDOSSEYEVA
    MOS 82.68 38.76 43.92 5.60 5.30 5.45 5.50 5.60 0.00 # 6
    9 Pauline AGAFONOVA
    SPB 76.70 33.82 44.88 5.75 5.60 5.40 5.70 5.60 2.00 # 13
    10 Elizabeth Milovanovo
    MOS 76.08 38.96 37.12 4.75 4.50 4.65 4.70 4.60 0.00 # 3
    11 Christina Zaseeva
    MOS 73.06 30.38 45.68 5.95 5.80 5.25 5.95 5.60 3.00 # 7
    12 Julia Rashevsky
    BEL 68.50 33.54 34.96 4.45 4.30 4.25 4.50 4.35 0.00 # 4
    13 Elizabeth SIZOVA
    MOS 58.14 29.58 32.56 4.20 3.95 3.95 4.20 4.05 4.00 # 1
    14 Angelina ASTAHOVA
    HHB 52.28 23.28 32.00 4.15 4.00 3.85 4.10 3.90 3.00 # 2

    Final Results

    1 Adelina Sotnikova MOS 192.46 1 1
    2 Diana Pervushkina TOL 172.51 4 2
    3 Maria Artemyev SPB 169.91 2 3
    4 Nicole GOSVIYANI SPB 167.94 3 4
    5 Alina MAKSIMOVA MOS 144.07 7 5
    6 Antonina DUBININA MOB 131.27 8 6
    7 Pauline AGAFONOVA SPB 128.37 5 9
    8 Svetlana Lebedeva MOS 126.31 9 7
    9 Tatiana FEDOSSEYEVA MOS 124.75 10 8
    10 Christina Zaseeva MOS 124.12 6 11
    11 Elizabeth Milovanovo MOS 111.84 12 10
    12 Julia Rashevsky BEL 107.03 11 12
    13 Elizabeth SIZOVA MOS 91.54 13 13
    14 Angelina ASTAHOVA HHB 83.46 14 14

    Shocked that Artemieva stayed on the podium, she's not the model of consistency so good for her!!!! And she beat Gosviani in both the SP and LP!!!

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