Claiming that a sportsman faked an injury is the ultimate slander.
Here I agree with you. In the US in some states they jailed some people for slander.This guy deserves a slap on the wrist at best. Paying $165,000 for a single "in my opinion" comment is hardly a suitable fine,
You just revealed quite a noticable feature of yourself- cowardness. I heard from Canadians and especially from Americans that people there are afraid to act out. France is different. There if you are quiet, people can actually start wonder. Keep in mind that cultural aspect when you come with your next rant.It's like when Joubert sued that tabloid for saying he was gay (I mean, who really cares). When you doth protest too much, it makes people actually start to wonder...
What is this source? Do they even speak Russian? The only correct phrase is “The prosecutor’s office again quashed the decision not to institute criminal proceedings,” which corrresponds to the Russian "Отказ возбудить дело о клевете по заявлению Плющенко вновь отменен", the news that was in R-media a couple of days ago: http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20130521/663314082.html . But the meaning of it is completely the opposite than the title of this source "Prosecutor throws out Plushenko slander complaint." It means that the prosecutor again disagrreed with the police decision not to start the criminal proceeding against Zhurankov. They canceled the police decision, the second time btw, and sent the case back to police for additional examination and expertise. The criminal saga is not closed. On the contrary, it's going on. And the way how the prosecutor keeps insisting doesn't look good for Durankov.MOSCOW, May 21 (RAPSI) – The Moscow prosecutor’s office will not to pursue a criminal investigation against a television commentator who figure skating star Evgeny Plushenko claims slandered him earlier this year, a law enforcement source told RAPSI on Tuesday.
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Here I agree with you. In the US in some states they jailed some people for slander.
You just revealed quite a noticable feature of yourself- cowardness. I heard from Canadians and especially from Americans that people there are afraid to act out. France is different. There if you are quiet, people can actually start wonder. Keep in mind that cultural aspect when you come with your next rant.
Criminal reposnsibility is not cancelled in some states. Therefore anyone can be charged, found guilty and jailed at any time.Btw, since 2004 in the US nobody has ever been incarcerated for defamation/libel/insult.
Lol to where the trolling can take the poor thing. Now he is acting as an the expert on Russian law. And is silly enough to demonstrate that the doesn't event speak Russian, not saying about knowing the legal mechanism and the procedure. None of your sentence is correct. You have zero knowledge or expertise on the subject. But you have the unlimited desire to troll. Now on Russian law.In Russia, incarceration is only in a select few cases and Russian law acknowledges this as for the most severe defamation/libel/insult (usually against government officials and important people). In Russia, one can certainly be fined for insult that "denigrates the honour and dignity of another person in an indecent form", but that usually depends on the severity of the insult and how it's directed. That television commentator was providing his own opinion and not stating a fact (and qualified it with it being his opinion due to how it was being presented in the media)... so, essentially, it's a terrible thing to say or insinuate - particularly with no evidence - but ultimately, he's stating one's opinion and prefaced it with that.
Great idea! Maybe the civil court will do what ISU was supposed to do- judge fairly.Do you think Skate Canada should sue Plushenko for his defamatory tweet that questioned their integrity by implying that their manipulation and politicking resulted in Chan's 2013 gold?
Of course it doesn't make sense for you. You are not Euro, not French, not straight and not Brian Joubert. I'm at least two of those. So unlike you I can imagine how he felt and why he sued.This makes absolutely no sense but I'll try to decipher your incoherent rambling.
You are incorrect again. In France gay marriages became legal just a couple of days ago. There were not at the time when Brian's lawsuit took place. Stop posting incorrcet information.In France, gay marriage is also legal, so I don't see your point that that "if you're quiet, people actually start to wonder".
If you were right, the jurisprudence wouldn't have laws on slander and defamation in the first place. But you are not.In Yes, homophobia will be everywhere, but if somebody accuses you of being gay, if you're a sensible person you don't sue them -- you either ignore them or just say "No, I'm not" and leave it at that. Just like if somebody says you're faking an injury, you either ignore them or you make a statement that their statement is false.
This journalist is nobody. Plushenko is somebody. Plushenko should have just ignored the whole thing, or laughed it off.
Skaters could sue half of the posters on Golden Skate and three-quarters of the posters on FSU, if they wanted to. :yes:
[Edied to add]: I hope FSU doesn't sue me for saying that.
But we're not journalists... Public perception is that what journalists say is always true. Especially if they say it in public, in their capacity as journalists.
I seriously doubt that, if I make any wild claim, public at large are going to say: "Why, LRK on GS said it, so it must be true!"
This was an opinion that was verbalized, not written and disseminated as fact. Plenty of journalists offer differing opinions and speculations, so they can't all be true.
Ever watched a soccer match? Do you think the commentators get sued every time they suggest a player that's been tackled wasn't legitimately injured?
Of course it doesn't make sense for you. You are not Euro, not French, not straight and not Brian Joubert. I'm at least two of those.
On the other hand, in this case I think the journalist said he didn't believe that Plushenko underwent surgery in Israel. This is not a matter of opinion --either he did or he didn't. Furthermore, if the journalist had wanted to check the facts he could have done so.
So the journalist was definitely in the wrong and deserves the scorn of public opinion. Still...meh. I hope the worst thing anyone ever says about me is that had surgery when I didn't, or vice versa. By presenting the facts, Plushenko made the journalist look like a fool, not the other way around.
On the other hand, in this case I think the journalist said he didn't believe that Plushenko underwent surgery in Israel. This is not a matter of opinion --either he did or he didn't. Furthermore, if the journalist had wanted to check the facts he could have done so.
So the journalist was definitely in the wrong and deserves the scorn of public opinion. Still...meh. I hope the worst thing anyone ever says about me is that had surgery when I didn't, or vice versa. By presenting the facts, Plushenko made the journalist look like a fool, not the other way around.
As for whether it can be prosecuted in a court, that I couldn't say, because I have no idea of the laws of Russia. In the U.S., such a case would generally be tried not in criminal court but in civil court. (I gather it's possible to have criminal defamation cases in some states but not on the federal level, but it's not common at all.)
I suspect that was one of the reason why the prosecutor canceled the police's decision not to start the criminal procedure against Zhurankov. They made some examination on communicative linguistics within the police investiation, by "they" I mean the specialists of some Russian language university, where they stated that the way how Zhurankov presented the info was highly likely percepted by listeners as a fact and not just an opinion. They also said that Zhurnakov was doing that to "fill in" the air time with something. As well as PR-ing himself at Plu's expense. Not that they said something that people didn't say the moment Zhurankov opened his mouth. But you know, the procedure requires the written examination done by specialists.But we're not journalists... Public perception is that what journalists say is always true.
So, you are saying that if somebody comes to your boss and says: "You know, in my opinion CSG faked his call-in-sick day in order not to attend the importatnt meeting and he spent his day watching online kids' porn, in my opinion," that's just fine. It's fine if that somebody goes around and keeps spreading this opinion about you among your co-workers. Well, maybe indeed in your workplace such "opinions" are not a big deal. Luckily for the world it's not the rules for the rest of us.This was an opinion that was verbalized, not written and disseminated as fact.
That's a lie. Again. Zhurankov was the only journalist who said that Plu faked his injury. That's why he is the only one under the investigation now.Plenty of journalists offer differing opinions and speculations
So, you claim let`s talk is Brian Joubert who is a North American buffoon. You forgot to add "in my opinion". Without that it's "a false claim that is presented as a fact is privy to being treated as potentially slanderous/libellous."You are North American, you are Brian Joubert, you are a buffoon. You're at least one of those.
Not exactly. Under the Criminal Code of RF the crime of slander commited by an individual against another individual is a crime of private prosecution. Private prosecution is a special procedure available ony for few minor cirmes. It is when any person can come to the crimnal court and file criminal charges against another person. If a slander took place in mass media (Plu case), then it's a subject of public prosecution, i.e. the charges must be done only by a public prosecutor.Is that what one of you meant by referring to "private prosecution"?
So, you are saying that if somebody comes to your boss and says: "You know, in my opinion CSG faked his call-in-sick day in order not to attend the importatnt meeting and he spent his day watching online kids' porn, in my opinion," that's just fine.
I think Plushenko's situation would be more like this. I say that I am taking a six weeks leave for major surgery. When I come back to work the class clown says, "I bet you didn't have surgery at all, you just wanted a longer vacation." Whatever you say, twerp-face.