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Thread: Peggy Fleming said (Is MK the best?)

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    Peggy Fleming said (Is MK the best?)

    in a documentary I saw on youtube a few years back that in twenty years Kwan would be called the greatest skater to have lived. I assume she meant ladies single skater. Yay or nay and why? Th sport changed so fast as MK was a 6.0 skater.

    Is MK already an orange from the past not to be compared to IJS apples? What of Peggy's prophecy?

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    Given that Michelle is always mentioned when talked about skating greats, I think Peggy was a wise one. :-)

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    No, she has been surpassed.

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    This is clearly gonna be another Kwan vs. X/Y/Z thread for the "Greatest of All Time" title...

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    The best ever is Sonja Henie - no arguments or debates ever

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    This topic always comes down to the question of what criteria we should use in our judgment. Here’s mine.

    Suppose that the world is coming to an end and we want to leave behind a time capsule to be found by the Martians when they rediscover earth a million years in the future, so that they will know what figure skating was all about. We can choose one skater and ten programs, with the top performance of each program. Who would we choose?

    Michelle Kwan is the only skater for whom we would have a big dilemma as to which programs to include and which, with great reluctance, we would have to omit since we can have only ten.

    This is the “body of work” criterion.

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    Of course all this debate is just ridiculous. In the big scheme of things, none of our current skating heroes will be anything but footnotes buried somewhere in the mountains of zettabytes of data stored in the successor to the WWW a couple hundred years from now.

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    Here is my contribution to the zettabytes.

    1. Romanza 1996 Worlds

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1imuQWeIi4Q

    2. Salome 1996 Worlds

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKmUW8wPB0s

    3. Rachmaninov 1998 Nationals

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHfgjszz_Tk

    4. Lyra Angelica 1998 Nationals

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPRcajUQrM

    5. East of Eden 1998 World Pro

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcYTdxyoehk

    6. Red Violin 2000 Worlds

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptj_tO7tIXg

    7. Song of the Black Swan 2001 Worlds

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhXa9JYtwLY

    8. Fields of Gold 2002 Olympic exhibition

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wazOhkRuySI

    9. Aranjuez 2003 Worlds

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfluAux0Sf0

    10. Tosca 2004 Nationals

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWQSoIEAxns

    Body of work.

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    Which skater is "greatest" would likely be a never-ending debate, since everyone's got a different idea of how that should be determined. But most loved, most revered, most memorable, leaving the greatest impact on those who watched her performances? Yes, I'd say those things of Kwan.

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    I think Peggy's statement is very North America-centric, because there are superior arguments for Witt, Kim and a few others to be called the greatest.

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    jim mckay's tribute:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9cMWGv-hLU

    sniff.

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    I think it is possible in the U.S most consider her the best ever (but not even sure on that) but in the rest of the World I dont think so. Her lack of an Olympic Gold prevents her from having a serious claim to the title IMO.

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    I think Michelle will be deemed one of the greatest but she may have problems with that title if Yuna wins a second olympic title. And there are the protopopovs, Irina Rodina and her partners, Torvill and Dean, Klimova and Pomanoranko, Sonja Henjie, Peggy Fleming, Dorothy Hammil, Plushenko Yagudin, Witt(though she is more the best ever competitior), Gordeeva and Grinkov no olympic gold will dim her lights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    I think it is possible in the U.S most consider her the best ever (but not even sure on that) but in the rest of the World I dont think so.
    I think that is true. People outside the U.S. do not have any especial regard for Michelle. She was a good skater among many good staters.

    But in the U.S., if skating continues its decline, she might be remembered -- well, maybe not as the greatest U.S. skater, but as the last of the great U.S. skaters.

    And maybe she will be the U.S. Senator from Rhode Island one day.

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    As Mathman said, a lot depends on the criteria of 'greatness'. Is it OGM? World Medals? # of iconic programs? Recognition by non-skating fans?

    For me, I don't necessarily include the # of overall medals as they are associated with longevity in the sport. Very few stay in at the top for 4+ years.

    Neither Kurt nor Michele won OGM, but I don't think that anyone can say that they weren't great skaters because of that 1 lacking piece of hardware. Can one honestly say that Sarah Hughes and Tara Lipiniski were clearly better than Michele? That Urmanov will be remembered more than Kurt Browning? Of course, that's my North American view.

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