It's not anybody's fault that nostalgic Kwan Krazies have to keep having these discussions every month or two and swiping at the modern skaters. Look at how many YuNa fans are fed up about it in just this thread.Don't ya'll get tired of having the same frickin' argument over and over and over and over again? Sheesh...
It's not "just" a comparison when you are actually putting down another skater's technique, and one that is actually considered superior to Kwan's on a specific jump called the Lutz. That's called leaving your biases unchecked at the door. Take it as a learning experience and next time don't make dubious claims--which you now admittedly know little about--and then retreat crying victim once you are called out on it.I wasn't tearing anyone down, I was just comparing the two. I am, in fact, a fan of Yuna's. I do cede that I do have rose-tinted glasses when it comes to Kwan cause she was my favorite growing up, and I have noticed her flaws as I have gotten older.
I love how "X was better than Y at Z" comes to mean "Y WAS TERRIBLE AT Z" Again, just a comparison, and I can really only do it by 6.0 standards, since Kwan really never competed with the CoP variations.
But whatever, I'm done with this thread, because instead of explaining things to those of us who never studied the biomechanics of Figure Skating and have only been fans, I get jumped on and told I am a liar. So you all can have this thread. I pray you aren't teachers or coaches.
It's not "just" a comparison when you are actually putting down another skater's technique, and one that is actually considered superior to Kwan's on a specific jump called the Lutz. That's called leaving your biases unchecked at the door. Take it as a learning experience and next time don't make dubious claims--which you now admittedly know little about--and then retreat crying victim once you are called out on it.
...go ahead and imagine a creative scenario where a time capsule or a message to aliens in outer space asks us to pick 10 programs by one skater only...
jaylee said:That said, the first time I heard British Eurosport commentators call out Michelle's flutz, I felt like I had just found out that there was no Santa Clause.
zschulktz1986 said:From a layman's perspective (mine), Yuna's lutz entrance just looks like many flip setups I've seen, until she slides over onto the outside edge before picking in. I guess that's what I meant, and I articulated it incorrectly. It's something I hadn't seen before (IIRC), and it looks like it works for her. However, the old-time lutzes were, as I was told, long BO edges all the way into the jump.
From a layman's perspective (mine), Yuna's lutz entrance just looks like many flip setups I've seen, until she slides over onto the outside edge before picking in. I guess that's what I meant, and I articulated it incorrectly. It's something I hadn't seen before (IIRC), and it looks like it works for her. However, the old-time lutzes were, as I was told (and have seen), long BO edges all the way into the jump.
JMO.
Sorry that I offended zschultz.
Alissa Czisny, for all her jump difficulties, actually has a pretty good Lutz. She said that in training the Lutz take-off her coach made her practice gliding all the way around the rink on a back outside edge.
So the next question is.... who changed Kim's (and Kwan's) lutz setups and why? I'm assuming Yuna's was Brian and Michelle's was Artunian? Is it easier to carry more speed into the jump with the "flatter" setup? Or easier to make sure the lutz edge is truly an outside one?
Yuna Kim will be considered as the best ladies skater even after a deacde