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Plushenko plans to compete in team & individual events in Sochi
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This was my wording, of course. But Mishin pointed out that the "skating part" is Maxim's work which IMHO implies that he is working on skating skills with him, too.
Original quote from the article: "Вы знаете, в работе с Женей я также стараюсь свести воедино два направления: высокую культуру петербуржской школы балета, которую олицетворяет выпускник балетмейстерской кафедры нашей Консерватории Давид Авдыш и катание на коньках – это работа Максима Ставиского."
Based on google translation, I thought what Minshin meant is that David is focus on the ballet concept while Maxim is on the skating part for creating the short program. But I could be wrong since I do not know Russian.
They all agreed kovtun was a total guarantee that Russia would have two spots. Send kovtun-get two spots- automatic! That was their broad picture.
It's not okayed that plushenko can jump yet. Even if he is not approved on June 11 maybe later. Still not good though. I'm sure there will be lots of tests on the disc replacement and everything.
It does seem like the rules are written in such a way that just like you can't replace a skater during sp and lp you can't replace a skater between team and individual.
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I also think that.:yes:
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In the past there was no team competition, so the individual medals were considered very important. Maybe that will switch around in the future, as the team event gets more traction.
Are they Olympic athletes? Suck it up!
I agree. I know athletes budget their energy for runthroughs, but these are seasoned athletes who have to compete their SP and FS many times a week. Burnout is a minor issue considering how well-trained these athletes are. Obviously dealing with injury magnifies the potential for burnout, but at least the team event is great for Plushenko because it's his best shot at a 4th Olympic medal, and a chance to size up the competition. I hope he won't invest all his energy into the team event, and puts out a solid performance that contributes to Russia's success, and then turns it on in the actual men's event. With Ten and Fernandez out of the picture, he likely won't need to do as much to place decently. It will also be a good opportunity for him to see how the judges are scoring him and the levels on his elements and if there's anything he needs to tweak for the men's event (and that goes for all skaters competing in the TE).
I also agree that it's better to have the team event first because a skater who medals in their individual event might be more tempted to pull out (at the expense of their team) should they happen to medal or meet their expectations.
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I will be interested to see how he recovers and if his body can hold up to two events relatively close.
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I can read the original article, don't worry. The катание на коньках doesn't mean anything in details in Russian. The whole sport is officially called фигурное катание на коньках. And it surely doesn't mean one of PCS. The Russian term for Skating Skills that is used in RusFed books is Уровень катания for Singles/Pairs and Мастерство катания for Ice Dancing. In conversations/interviews coaches/skaters/fans/media usually use the same Уровень катания, or владениe коньком (Mishin used it when he was talking about Buttle), sometimes скольжениe (культура скольжения). Mishin often puts it even more beautifully in Russian: «катательного» мастерства, высокой культуры катания, мастерства владения коньком. His Russian in general can be quite charming.
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And if Ten and Javi were in the picture, he wouldn't have a chance to place decently, which is surely below PChan and who knows else, according to SC officers? Party go on! arty: How many pages will this Plush page will get with CSG around? 50? 7?
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How many pages will this Plush page will get with CSG around? 50? 7?
It's adorable that you feel the need to retort to every comment I make. I am truly in awe and flattered by your obsessiveness... really, I am.
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Actually, I think you can have two different skaters doing the LP and the SP in the team event. (Up to two such substitutions total.)
It will be interesting to see what countries take advantage of that. You would have to have two skaters/teams pretty equal to risk it, I would think. But for instance Canada could send V&M for the short dance and Weaver and Poje for the long to give V&M a little breather. Russia might feel that they have two equally strong ladies.
Now that I think about it, it is not out of the question that a country might have a short program specialist and a long program specialist. That would be cool. It would add a tiny bit of team strategy, rather than just each person goes separately then tally up the results.
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I really adore Mishin's metaphores.I can read the original article, don't worry. The катание на коньках doesn't mean anything in details in Russian. The whole sport is officially called фигурное катание на коньках. And it surely doesn't mean one of PCS. The Russian term for Skating Skills that is used in RusFed books is Уровень катания for Singles/Pairs and Мастерство катания for Ice Dancing. In conversations/interviews coaches/skaters/fans/media usually use the same Уровень катания, or владениe коньком (Mishin used it when he was talking about Buttle), sometimes скольжениe (культура скольжения). Mishin often puts it even more beautifully in Russian: «катательного» мастерства, высокой культуры катания, мастерства владения коньком. His Russian in general can be quite charming.
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IMHO he should go all out to win the team event. Then go all out to win the individual event. :yes:
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One would hope for that, but I'm pretty sure that most skaters will be more ambitious technically and go all out in their individual events rather than their team events (since the individual events are more about placement, and not decimating the field with points). And if a skater, like Plushenko, might be potentially injured, it makes sense to not risk injury by going all out in the TE. It's harder in Russia's case because they only have 1 male skater to skate the SP and LP... I could picture Reynolds/Hanyu skating the SP and then Chan/Takahashi skating the LP (or some combination of that). In the LP, PCS is worth more so it makes sense to put a more artistic skater in the LP.
A medal is at stake, so I assume the skaters will still put forth strong efforts, but I can't picture them going all out in the team event.
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Actually Plushenko may well be the only who could afford to put all out in team event since he has gold for individual already. Maybe not so much for other skaters.
But I agree with Mathman, Plushenko may well be go all out for team, and then all out for individual. Why not? He will give whatever he has in his power to maximize the outcome, so CSG, you do not need to worry about how he will pace his strength. It is none of your business.
Trankov talked about skipping TE, if no man takes part, but it sounds as if he's unaware that Ru Fed wouldn't let them do that. Or did he mean "send two other pairs if they want, we're all for individual event"? Well OK, he's a rebellious person and sometimes speaks without getting the full information on the matter.
Can Kim, Fernandez, Zlobina/Sitnikov and some pair skate for a sort of United Nations Team?
Can Kim, Fernandez, Zlobina/Sitnikov and some pair skate for a sort of United Nations Team?
In conversations/interviews coaches/skaters/fans/media usually use the same Уровень катания, or владениe коньком (Mishin used it when he was talking about Buttle), sometimes скольжениe (культура скольжения). Mishin often puts it even more beautifully in Russian: «катательного» мастерства, высокой культуры катания, мастерства владения коньком. His Russian in general can be quite charming.
I find that interesting. Though I've never heard Mishin talk or read an interview with him (and of course, I don't understand Russian), I've always been fascinated by how his former partner, Moskvina, uses English, with great precision and poetry. I remember, for instance, when Gordeyeva/Grinkov narrowly beat Mishkutenok/Dmitriev for the 1994 OGM (apologies for any misspellings), she explained the results by saying, "Some people prefer lyrics, and others prefer physics" (an expression that is both apt and original in English as it must be in Russian). And when Kazakova, Dmitriev's second partner, had to do a death spiral in the 1998 short program, a weak move for her, and she did it splendidly, they asked Moskvina how she got Kazakova to do the move, and Moskvina said with a totally serious face, "I hypnotized her." I bet she could have done it, too! I wonder whether she and Mishin both have an acute ear for language, whether one of them influenced the other, or whether both came under the strong influence of a third person in their formative years? Whichever way it is, such rich language from a coach adds so much to our view of skating and how it is achieved.
