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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I don't picture Plushenko doing 2 quads and 2 triple axels in the team event, just as I don't picture Chan attempting his maximum difficulty.
    Your jokes are boring. Nobody pictures Chan doing 2 triple axels in either TE or Individuals. He might try one and polish the ice with his big butt as usual. No WC in fs history had such a shameful skatings over and over again and still win. And surely not Plushenko. Therefore all your rant again has no merit.

    I see no improvement in your skills. You need better schooling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    Booooo! Show up or stay home.
    AMEN! Thank you!

    To be honest, I think the skaters are probably excited at the prospect of additional hardware. They're competitors, they will want to do their best. This is history! One or more of them could be the first skaters to win multiple medals at a single Olympics! Maybe even two golds.

    Has anyone read of negative feedback from the skaters themselves?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    I find that interesting. Though I've never heard Mishin talk or read an interview with him (and of course, I don't understand Russian), I've always been fascinated by how his former partner, Moskvina, uses English, with great precision and poetry. I remember, for instance, when Gordeyeva/Grinkov narrowly beat Mishkutenok/Dmitriev for the 1994 OGM (apologies for any misspellings), she explained the results by saying, "Some people prefer lyrics, and others prefer physics" (an expression that is both apt and original in English as it must be in Russian). And when Kazakova, Dmitriev's second partner, had to do a death spiral in the 1998 short program, a weak move for her, and she did it splendidly, they asked Moskvina how she got Kazakova to do the move, and Moskvina said with a totally serious face, "I hypnotized her." I bet she could have done it, too! I wonder whether she and Mishin both have an acute ear for language, whether one of them influenced the other, or whether both came under the strong influence of a third person in their formative years? Whichever way it is, such rich language from a coach adds so much to our view of skating and how it is achieved.
    some quotes fro Mishin:

    At the Olympic Games in Sochi in 2014 we can expect to Evgeni Plushenko only in the individual tournament? Or in the team competition - too?
    - I think this flower is nice and separately, and in the bouquet.

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    - When do you plan to resume training with Evgeni Plushenko?
    - Talking about it is premature. But if the dear God will not turn away, then when Zhenya appears on the Sochi Olympic rink - others will look like puppies, while he as case-hardened wolf.

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    You should not shout "The king is dead!"

    "...We began our conversation with Alexei Nikolaevich from the issue of this decision [ISU decision about Evgeni’s ineligibility].

    - They had a formal reason to punish Plushenko, but they had no reason in substance. In fact, I think, his emotional behavior after the Olympics in Vancouver, where he came second, made more influence. But, you know, it was a check (chess). Sometimes the check leads to the checkmate, and sometimes it is given just in order to demonstrate some sort of imaginary superiority.
    - So, the king escaped the checkmate...
    - Yes. He survived. I can say that the check did not lead to any catastrophic changes in his preparation. There is no need to shout: "The king is dead! Long live the king! ". The King was alive and is alive now. We are restoring, we use the wonderful climate of Southern Estonia to improve Evgeni's health.
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    Your main goal is probably connected with the Olympic Games in Sochi, and Evgeni Plushenko and Arthur Gatchinski. In what physical shape is Evgeni now?

    - Mishin: Now talk about the state of his form probably is not worth it, because here Evgeni had spent only a few training days. But, at least, some alarms or serious doubt until now, training does not cause.
    If we talk about the Olympics, you know, to reach the mountain top, you must first start from the foothills, then climb to the middle. So, in such a way, we now are going. We call this, not the road to the Olympics, than the road to the mountain, to which we will later rise.


    Mishin is amazing.

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    A case-hardened wolf in the midst of puppies! That's lovely. Thanks for the quotes.

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    Plushenko always says, his main goal is Sochi. Did you ever see him compete without a fight? He always fights to win!
    Plushenko is elder wolf, so true.

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    I love Mishin's analogies. He always has really great ones. Like Plushy being the fine aged wine and Artur being the young noble wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    Like Plushy being the fine aged wine and Artur being the young noble wine.
    Love that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    I love Mishin's analogies. He always has really great ones. Like Plushy being the fine aged wine and Artur being the young noble wine.
    What a coach. I'm excited to see where he takes Plushenko this season, as well as -- of course -- Artur and Liza.

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    Plushy's first step to Sochi...

    Plushenko News_Eng ‏@PlushenkoNews 2h

    RT @EvgeniPlushenko: Today I came back from Israel! I'm OK and the doctor allowed me to jumping jumps on the ice)https://twitter.com/EvgeniPlushenko/...10686113882113

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    -- С целью обкатки новых программ планируют ли ваши фигуристы летом участвовать в шоу?

    -- Если говорить о Жене, то ему поступило море предложений. Но мы посовещались и в этом году согласились только на одно. Во второй половине июля тогда, когда надо будет что-то проверить, Женя отправится на шоу в Японию. И если все сложится, как мы планируем, то там впервые выступит на публике.

    http://fsrussia.ru/news/609_aleksej-...-specialistov/
    Is he planning to go to Japan in second half of July for an ice show? Does it mean that he's going to skate at the ICE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I don't picture Plushenko doing 2 quads and 2 triple axels in the team event, just as I don't picture Chan attempting his maximum difficulty or Hanyu attempting 3 quads (especially with his asthma) or Aaron attempting 3 quads in the team event. Perhaps you're right in that because Plushenko already has an individual gold and he has a better shot to win a medal in the team event than individually he might actually go all out in the team event.

    But particularly for a skater who has to do both the SP and LP, you would imagine they would budget their strength towards the event they want to be more successful in. You see it in gymnastics where in team events gymnasts will not take the highest risk and "save" their difficulty and risk for their individual events, where difficulty is more important that being consistently great as a team. With B/S and V/T likely doing very well in ice dance and pairs, and with a decent performance by the Russian girls, Plushenko (or whichever man makes it to Sochi) just needs to place in the top half of the men for a guaranteed medal. Of course, with it being in Sochi, maybe the Russian team wants the gold just a little bit more than the other teams, and that could translate into better performances.

    Ideally, everyone puts forth their best effort in all parts of the competition, particularly at the Olympics. But it's naive to think that skaters aren't coming up with game plans about how they will perform in the Team and Individual events. I'm anticipating that if we look at the base values going from the team event to the individual events we'll see higher BV and more level 3's and 4's in the individual events.
    Good points. This is a sport where . . . usually . . . mostly . . . unfortunately or fortunately . . . skaters really are all about themselves first, their country second. (Chan perhaps is the extreme example of this and his comments after the last WTT illustrate that point big time.) There may be a few exceptions in place and time but they don't exactly fill up the memory bank. In skating, we know of the country of the skater, but we think of the skater first. The inclusion of this event in the Olympics is a new direction and we really don't know how well it will come off. It will be interesting how the skaters and their federations wrap their heads around it and juggle their skaters to choose their options. But is anyone kidding themselves that first and foremost, for many of these skaters, this one year is their one shot in life at OGM for themselves individually. It is pie in the sky to expect them to go all out in the team event if it means risking that one shot.

    Countries like Japan, Canada and the United States can do substitutions. That makes the event better and safer for the skaters. (It also makes it better to watch as well. Sure hope that Reynolds gets to skate at least one of the skates in the team event. It would give a better sense of it being a team event.) It helps a lot. But it also makes the field less level because there are countries like Russia who cannot substitute with their singles men's skater. Rules cannot obviously be changed at this point, but surely it would have been fairer to allow at least for a substitution in the second skate (fs) where there is only one skater competing in the individual. Didn't happen. Won't happen.

    Would anyone blame Russia if they did not compete in the team event? There might be some criticism, but really, for the skaters as long as they get to compete individually, not too many (ie any) of them are going to complain. That is fairly reasonable to assume.

    All this makes Plushenko's statement make him look better. They go against the grain. He knows that if he is the men's skater, he has to compete if his team is to compete. It is a clear signal to the other skaters that he is there with them. He is going to be there to compete and he thinks the team event is a good one. Good, good, good. His statement reflects some class.

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    I just don't see how "holding back" in the team event, or skipping it altogether, will help you skate any better in the individual contest a week later. Can't you do a quad on Monday and Wednesday, then come back and do it again on Monday and Wednesday of the next week?

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    MM, I certainly cannot answer your question from personal experience as an athlete.

    But I have noticed that Charlie White's favorite expression after a competitive performance seems to be, "We left it all on the ice." (Often he relies on his mantra in the context of saying that D/W themselves believe that they could not have skated any better on that particular day -- whether or not they received some Level 3s or whatever.)
    So whatever the totality of "it" means, I guess the question -- at least for D/W -- is how many rapid cycles of leaving it all on the ice and then restoring new supplies of it inside themselves (whether that process is deliberate or unconscious) they can manage during the short number of days spanning the team event and their own discipline.

    Sorry if my example sounds silly. But I don't mean to be facetious.
    I think the issue is bigger than the physical feats of landing quads or executing other difficult elements. I think that White is referring also to summoning the mental strength to give a successful performance.

    Maybe the concern in terms of the mental demands is that the team event could cause a "hangover" analogous to the phenomenon of Olympic "hangover" that leads some skaters to skip Worlds a few weeks later -- or to the apparent Worlds "hangover" that seemed to result in some skaters bypassing WTT. And many of those who did compete at WTT commented on how tough it was to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    I just don't see how "holding back" in the team event, or skipping it altogether, will help you skate any better in the individual contest a week later. Can't you do a quad on Monday and Wednesday, then come back and do it again on Monday and Wednesday of the next week?
    The reasoning behind your position is rational, wise and true. Plushenko agrees!

    But generally, query whether (the majority of competitive) figure skaters, are that same space yet (given the paranoia, ego, cut-throat competitiveness that drives some - but not all - of them). The absences at WTT this year, and other indicators like Chan's comments, give one pause, don't they? I so hope, wish, that I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vera01 View Post
    Is he planning to go to Japan in second half of July for an ice show? Does it mean that he's going to skate at the ICE?
    No, it doesn't. He will be skating in PIW in Tokyo. At least that is the plan.

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