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Thread: What are Yuna Kim's strongest points as a skater?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    And here comes Yuna Kim making her move on the rail. Now she's ahead by a nose, a neck, a length...
    Darn it, Mathman. Now you've made me want to get on YouTube just to watch some horseraces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gkelly View Post
    How do you define "musicality," and its importance to skating?

    I think dancing to rhythmic music requires more skating skill than emoting to lyrical music.

    What requires more "musical skill" or "musicality," whatever that is irrespective of skating skill, i.e., what one could demonstrate standing on the floor, might be more subject to debate.

    Then it's another question as to which skaters best demonstrate it.
    Thinking about this some more and looking back over Yuna's exhibitions, the ones that I think worked really well for her musically are:

    1. All of Me
    2. Reflections
    3. Meditation de Thais
    4. Once Upon a Dream
    5. Ben
    6. Imagine

    A lot of it may be due to my personal tastes as far music goes, though. Again, I'm no expert at music theory and interpretation. When I look back at Yuna's programs to include competitive programs, I cannot pinpoint any particularly type of music she does best as it seems she expresses them all rather well. Her soft and lyrical "Lark Ascending" was just as good as the fast tempo of "Tango de Roxanne"; the jazzy sophisticated "Concerto in F" vs. her sexy/flirty and dramatic James Bond theme were also quite the contrast. For this season she's skating to fiery "Adios Nonino" in the LP and the softer "Send in the Clowns" in the SP, which I'm pretty sure will show off her versatility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ...... Mao Asada has the best sense of rhythm and musical phrasing......

    Come on , I just can NOT agree with you on this one! Mao has the best sense rhythm and musical phrasing?! Who apparently slow down before a jump and resume whatever she is doing only after the anxiety. When I watch her program, the flow of the whole program just has to be interrupted so many times, what a shame....
    Lots of skater has far superior musicality than Mao......
    Speaking of music phrasing. please watch Yuna's Les mis or imagine. that is text-book example of musical phrasing.
    Also, please watch Yuna's jumps and spins, which really shows sense of rhythm, jumping with the rhythm of music, spins automatically synchronize with the rhythm of music. according to Kurt Browing " even the jumps seems to be taking on the essence of the program..." That is real musicality.

    I felt so sad that Yuna is injured. All my best wishes and prayers goes to you Yuna. Please become well soon.

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    Yuna's strongest point as a good skater is actually she has really good ears. She has superb innate musicality and body coordination ,hence natural, comfortable, effortless jumping technique and great sense of balance. Both musicality and body coordination are somehow related to ear function.
    Further she was helped by her long limbs. elegant neck, shoulder and upper body lines. She probably has the best upper body movements in the business. And the last, She is really a great great DANCER on ice (but not from ice dance discipline).

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    Quote Originally Posted by yyyskate View Post
    Come on , I just can NOT agree with you on this one! Mao has the best sense rhythm and musical phrasing?! Who apparently slow down before a jump and resume whatever she is doing only after the anxiety. When I watch her program, the flow of the whole program just has to be interrupted so many times, what a shame....
    To be fair, what you said is not musical phrasing issue. It's the technical issues which prenvented her from flying to the jump takeoffs. That's nothing to do with sense of rhythm and muscial phrasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McIce View Post
    To be fair, what you said is not musical phrasing issue. It's the technical issues which prenvented her from flying to the jump takeoffs. That's nothing to do with sense of rhythm and muscial phrasing.
    Yeah right. Because the ability to execute has nothing to do with sense of rhythm and musical phrasing in the real world.

    If that is the case I should have been 10 times international Tchaikovsky pianist winner already, since my problem is only technical, but apart from that I have the greatest sense of rhythm and musical phrasing in the world - all in my head (+ my tiger mum). The easy bits comes natural to me

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    ^ You lost the Tchaikovsky contest because you hit a bunch of wrong notes, not because your sense of rhythm and musical phrasing was deficient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ You lost the Tchaikovsky contest because you hit a bunch of wrong notes, not because your sense of rhythm and musical phrasing was deficient.
    Yet on the score sheet the comment was your sense of rhythm and phrasing were totally off when you hit a bunch of wrong notes and were not able to pick yourself back into the rhythm of the music again without looking like you are worried and think you've lost. So how do you explain THAT?!

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    OK, back to Mao. Check this out. She flubs all her jumps, but otherwise skates like an angel. She floats like a butterfly. Now all she has to do is sting like a bee.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiUOQfEOeAE

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    Yet on the score sheet the comment was your sense of rhythm and phrasing were totally off when you hit a bunch of wrong notes and were not able to pick yourself back into the rhythm of the music again without looking like you are worried and think you've lost. So how do you explain THAT?!
    Can you please start using analogies that would make sense in this universe? The comment sheet would most likely not talk about "you are worried and think you've lost" (LOL) - it would just say that you can't (or didn't) handle the technical demands. And it would be an interesting situation where a tiger mum could beat phrasing and musicality into her child yet not the technical prowess. If "your problem is technical" and in terms of technical ability you have no business anywhere near the piece, you most likely don't have the ability to do the phrasing either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Can you please start using analogies that would make sense in this universe? The comment sheet would most likely not talk about "you are worried and think you've lost" (LOL) - it would just say that you can't (or didn't) handle the technical demands. And it would be an interesting situation where a tiger mum could beat phrasing and musicality into her child yet not the technical prowess. If "your problem is technical" and in terms of technical ability you have no business anywhere near the piece, you most likely don't have the ability to do the phrasing either.
    Oh wonderful, thank goodness you are here, I feel truly blessed. It is none other than my dearest GS friend who is guaranteed to misunderstand/mistranslate everything I have ever expressed with glee; the Ying to my Yang, except I am pleased to say at least we agreed on the same matter this time even though one again you appear to have misunderstood.

    Go back to a few more post... take the whole in. I was clearly being sarcastic with my comments. I hope someone as smart as you don't need to rely on emoticons or

    In the real world. The ability to execute everything when it COUNT.. IS the only legitimate indicator on whether someone can do something properly (the bolded part). Even if they are able to do it 100% in practice/rehearsal, not able to deliver it at competitions, or live performances in front of audiences and judges means officially pianist/musician/performer is severely handicapped.

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    ^ Well, that's obvious. But that wasn't the question. The question was whether Mao Asada has a good sense of rhythm and musical phrasing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ Well, that's obvious. But that wasn't the question. The question was whether Mao Asada has a good sense of rhythm and musical phrasing.
    She does w/ a very narrow range of music when she has to do any difficult stuff.

    When she doesn't have to do difficult stuff, her range increases somewhat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    In the real world. The ability to execute everything when it COUNT.. IS the only legitimate indicator on whether someone can do something properly (the bolded part). Even if they are able to do it 100% in practice/rehearsal, not able to deliver it at competitions, or live performances in front of audiences and judges means officially pianist/musician/performer is severely handicapped.
    Is it, though? Are you familiar with a Chinese gymnast named Yang Bo? Wonderful gymnast who had all the beauty and technique in the world, but she has nothing in World or Olympic gold medals to show for it due to her unfortunate inability to hit anything when it counted. Yet who would disagree that she was the best balance beam worker of her era?

    P.S. I can't deny that I always enjoy seeing your hysterically over-the-top posts (whether they are serious or "just being sarcastic" - they're hilarious either way). GS just wouldn't be the same without them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarneAsada View Post
    Is it, though? Are you familiar with a Chinese gymnast named ? Wonderful gymnast who had all the beauty and technique in the world, but she has nothing in World or Olympic gold medals to show for it due to her unfortunate inability to hit anything when it counted. Yet who would disagree that she was the best balance beam worker of her era?

    P.S. I can't deny that I always enjoy seeing your hysterically over-the-top posts (whether they are serious or "just being sarcastic" - they're hilarious either way). GS just wouldn't be the same without them.
    The author of the book, "The Right Stuff", Thomas Wolf would disagree with you. If Yu-Na is unable to win in Sochi it might well be because of this latest injury of hers, DUE TO THE APPROACH AND RESULT OF HER TRAINING. But at the end of the day the hard truth will be she didn't have the "right stuff" (ALL that is needed to win); it's ALL included no matter how unfair it might seem. So, you can't say Yang Bo was the "best balance beam worker of her era", IF SHE DIDN'T WIN. You can SAY she had the most promise or the best form, but that is all.

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