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Thread: What are Yuna Kim's strongest points as a skater?

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    Plus, I sometimes feel that she is too lucky. I remember she had many clean Short Program. but small mistakes in long program.
    And She first made that two cleans at Olympic. Olympic is the biggest and important competition. So all the skaters receive so big pressure than in any competitions.
    but she made what she couldn't made in other competitions, in Olympic. Weird

    I think she has definitely great ability, but also I feel she always receive the help of luck.
    It is another reason that I'm annoyed about her

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eclair View Post
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    As for your feelings of her seeminly easily winning over skaters, who have worked very hard to come this far: Well, I don't think coming back was as effortless as her skating seems. I'm sure Yuna put a lot of work into her comeback and though there may well be skaters, who worked harder than her, she's fully aware of that fact and is thankful for the talent, she was born with. In an interview after 2013 Special Olympics (competition for mentally disabled), were Yuna participated with an GALA skate together with Michelle Kwan, she said: Seeing all the athletes really impressed her. Many have overcome prejudices and hardships, and seeing them is really heartwarming.
    I'm not comparing her comeptitors with mentally disabled, but what I wanted to say, is, that as far as I've followed Yunas interviews and attitude, she talks respectfully of her competitors and doesn't take any of her winnings or natural talent for granted, but sets high standards in work ethics for herself.
    Great post, Eclair! I can't see how anyone would accuse Yuna of taking her winning for granted. She had put so much training and practice to get back in the game, knew very well that ice was slippery and never assumed she would win. Her public goal was always to win TWO spots for Korea--a mere top ten finish at Worlds. In her interviews she's always commented on how she *hoped* for good results, cautioned that unexpected conditions on the day of the competition could lead to mistakes, and prepared as well as she could so that there would be no regrets.

    As for her reaction after her skate and after her score, she's won everything already. She's been there, done that. What did you expect? Nevertheless, she had a beaming smile and a stunned reaction (she clasp her hand over her mouth and afterwards was shaking her head in disbelief as she approached the Kiss-and-Cry) which to me showed that she certainly did not expect or took for granted her winning in such a manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    Plus, I sometimes feel that she is too lucky. I remember she had many clean Short Program. but small mistakes in long program.
    And She first made that two cleans at Olympic. Weird. Olympic is the biggest competition. So all the skaters receive so big pressure than in any competitions.

    I think she has definitely great ability, but also I feel she always receive the help of luck.
    It is another reason that I'm annoyed about her
    What enables her to perform cleanly, is her high succuss-rate in her jumps: I would have to search for the exact numbers, but she lands her 3lutz-3toe in practice cleanly 80 - 98 % of the time. It only takes a 'small' portion of luck in competitve situations to land them cleanly too.
    While other skaters may only have a 60-70 % success rate in one or two of their jumping passes. For them it takes 'a lot of' luck, to land them cleanly in competion.
    Therefore I don't believe yuna is a lot more luckier than anyone else, but she has good basics and as we've seen from her practices: if somebody is skating her program cleanly time and time again, it doesn't need much luck to repeat that in competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    I think she has definitely great ability, but also I feel she always receive the help of luck.
    Only spectators talk about luck. An athlete either brings her A game or does not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    Plus, I sometimes feel that she is too lucky. I remember she had many clean Short Program. but small mistakes in long program.
    And She first made that two cleans at Olympic. Olympic is the biggest and important competition. So all the skaters receive so big pressure than in any competitions.
    but she made what she couldn't made in other competitions, in Olympic. Weird

    I think she has definitely great ability, but also I feel she always receive the help of luck.
    It is another reason that I'm annoyed about her
    It's obviously your prerogative to like/dislike Yuna, but I'm going to point out that there's no such thing as "luck" in elite sports.

    "Luck" is finding a winning lottery ticket in the gutter or getting to work on time despite heavy traffic. EVERY athlete -- figure skater, gymnast, swimmer, sprinter -- must rely on years of agonizing, often torturous training. And on competition day, "luck" plays no hand in how you perform. Was Michael Phelps "lucky" to win eight gold medals in Beijing? Was McKayla Maroney "lucky" that she landed a perfect vault at the perfect time in London?

    Either you show up in the correct mental state, or you don't. Either you bring it, or you don't. Yuna knew the importance of the Olympics and finally performed like she practiced; she did it again at 2013 Worlds. I must also point out that it's extremely difficult to skate two flawless programs under the COP; between them, you have ten jumping passes and more than fifteen jumps. So far, the ONLY lady under the current scoring protocol who has had near-perfect consistency for a few seasons is Rachael Flatt.

    Can you imagine what figure skating would look like if every jump was a hit-or-miss, flying-on-a-prayer attempt? Well, THAT'S luck.

    Yuna may be fortunate to have her body type and mental strength, but she isn't "lucky." Luck implies chaos; that you don't control how you perform. Yuna and many others have proved, time and again, that the opposite is true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post

    Yuna may be fortunate to have her body type and mental strength, but she isn't "lucky." Luck implies chaos; that you don't control how you perform. Yuna and many others have proved, time and again, that the opposite is true.
    Yes, indeed. There's a saying that you make your own luck, and another one (attributed to Thomas Edison, who ought to know) that genius is 2% inspiration and 98% perspiration. YuNa clearly works plenty hard in order to achieve consistency, so that she can count on her muscle memory at the time when it counts the most.

    She is indeed fortunate to have the right body type and the right temperament for skating, as you point out. But as you also say, that's where her good fortune ends. The rest is up to her, and it calls for hard work and training. There's no luck involved in showing up day after day, going over the same elements again and again until you could execute them in your sleep. That's what all skaters need to do, and YuNa seems to do this better than almost anyone else most of the time.

    No competition is a foregone conclusion, no matter how good a skater is. YuNa certainly knows this. She has ended up on the podium in every one of her senior competitions, isn't that right? But she hasn't won every one of them. So she knows she can be beaten, and she can be beaten by the very ladies who will likely be competing against her in Sochi. So she can't depend on luck, and clearly she doesn't plan to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    Plus, I sometimes feel that she is too lucky. I remember she had many clean Short Program. but small mistakes in long program.
    And She first made that two cleans at Olympic. Olympic is the biggest and important competition. So all the skaters receive so big pressure than in any competitions.
    but she made what she couldn't made in other competitions, in Olympic. Weird

    I think she has definitely great ability, but also I feel she always receive the help of luck.
    It is another reason that I'm annoyed about her
    Yes. Definitely her fault. How DARE she be lucky without putting in the effort that everyone else put into their training and programs? How dare she jump so effortlessly through her luck? How dare she skate so fast all through luck?

    How dare she? How dare she? HOW DARE SHE?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Great post, Eclair! I can't see how anyone would accuse Yuna of taking her winning for granted. She had put so much training and practice to get back in the game, knew very well that ice was slippery and never assumed she would win. Her public goal was always to win TWO spots for Korea--a mere top ten finish at Worlds. In her interviews she's always commented on how she *hoped* for good results, cautioned that unexpected conditions on the day of the competition could lead to mistakes, and prepared as well as she could so that there would be no regrets.

    As for her reaction after her skate and after her score, she's won everything already. She's been there, done that. What did you expect? Nevertheless, she had a beaming smile and a stunned reaction (she clasp her hand over her mouth and afterwards was shaking her head in disbelief as she approached the Kiss-and-Cry) which to me showed that she certainly did not expect or took for granted her winning in such a manner.
    Still adding to Eclair's comment, Yuna actually said that one of the hardest parts of contemplating a comeback was deciding whether or not she wanted to put herself through the pain and struggle of training again.

    To us, Yuna seemed back to her old self in the blink of an eye. To her, the months upon months of getting back into competitive shape were agonizing. I remember watching a documentary about Nadia Comaneci, the great gymnast, who wanted to return to the international stage after a year away. Her coach at the time said that the training and practices were quite literally torture.

    Yuna's return was by no means an easy decision to make or to stick to, and however one may feel about her skating, she is to be commended for her incredible determination and work ethic.

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    Kim's win DID seem effortless! But we all know it was far from that. That's what makes her great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    honestly, I was unpleasant in it
    While skaters are working hard, She was not in competition. she had long hiatus and came back and easily won skaters who efforted much more than her
    when look her attitude, it seemed she take her winning for granted... she did't even seemed too thrilled to result. As a long figure skating fan, I felt it's unfair.. dissatisfied in it.
    it's not like yuna was spending in the island and just having a time of her life.. you have no idea how she worked her butt off just to be in competitive shape.. what makes you think it's unfair??? so much whining.

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    I'd have a lot more respect for her if she could actually be bothered to show up to her own Nationals and EARN her place on the international teams, rather than just being handed it.

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    Ugh. She did go to Nationals.

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    She doesn't need your respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by karne View Post
    I'd have a lot more respect for her if she could actually be bothered to show up to her own Nationals and EARN her place on the international teams, rather than just being handed it.
    ??????? She did compete at Nationals. Good God, some of these objections are just so weak or downright false...

    Too lucky? No effort needed to win? Doesn't "earn" her place in her international team? OK, guys, I'd hate to call this trolling, but really, how it is this anything but trying to rile up Yuna fans...

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    I meant in 2011. Which she didn't. Worlds was her only competition that year.

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