06-20-2013, 06:38 PM
Lacking originality, yes, Carolina's Boléro borrowed directly from Maurice Béjart and Mao's safey boring Swan Lake.
06-20-2013, 07:02 PM
Bona Fide Member
To me, it is interesting that all the commentators, not to mention other skaters, coaches, etc., rave about Kim's performance like it was the most astonishing free skate in the history of skating -- or at least since the CoP began.
Why? Because she skated welll -- a forgotten concept for the last decade. She didn't fall down. She didn't stumble, she skated fast, she showed good flowing edges. Kim did what she said she was going to do. If she said she was going to do a triple Lutz, she did a triple Lutz, not a 2-and-a-half flutz. No wonder she got scores off the chart.
Little choreographic embellishments? Emotional connection to the music? Skaters can worry about that after they take care of business. Kim took care of business. When an athlete knows why she is out there and takes care of business, that's a beautiful thing. I have re-watched that performance 100 times.
06-20-2013, 07:27 PM
I like that performance too actually. It's not my favorite program (I agree with many, Yuna's best choreographic work was in the 2009 (Dance Macabre/Scheherazade) and 2010 (Bond/Gershwin)), but the performance for Les Mis was much more from the heart that I think people give her credit for.
Originally Posted by Mathman
I think Yuna came with the idea she wasn't doing this for herself. As she noted in her post-skate interview, she did this for the young skaters. She did this so two of those young skaters could join her in Sochi.
Sure it wasn't the pressure of the Olympic gold, but it was the pressure of honoring her country. In Korea, pride and dignity are very important to its people. And I think the pride Yuna felt in getting those two extra spots was very much on her mind. She did her best not just for hersel but for others.
And I think the people in the audience could sense that. And I could sense it too...
06-20-2013, 07:57 PM
Six Point Zero
Are you ignoring all the given examples? There have been several posts in the previous pages showing how Mao and Carolina can match or exceed Yuna's scores from Worlds 2013. What in the world do you mean that Yuna is so over scored that nothing her rivals could do would beat her? That's absurd. The gap is huge only because they made so many costly mistakes. Your comparison of Yuna's wins vs. Patrick's just takes the cake, dear. No two skaters' victories could be so different in this day and age. Yuna's wins command respect, while Patrick's gets showered with contempt. In any case, since you're so obviously trolling us and disregarding facts, I'm done with this.
Originally Posted by let`s talk
06-20-2013, 10:45 PM
That's why fs can't attrack new fans. If even fans say that 20 points difference doesn't matter, why anyone outside of fs should take this sport seriously. Tell me please, why do we have Code of Points with all the criteria written if points in fact don't matter. They gave her inflated score for "comeback" you are saying? Where is such criteria in ISU books? For someone who has been around fs for sometime I expected more serious approach to judiging system with all the issues on the table. And more repectful to skaters. They basically sent Caro, Mao and others the message: no matter how clean you skate, you won't be able to reach the score we will give to clean Yuna.
Originally Posted by kwanatic
Where did I say that? I didn't. It's your interpretation or better say your twist of someone else's words in the way you find comfortable for you. How very typical from yunafandom. I have been talking about the real score of Yuna at Worlds and the real mistakes that Caro and Mao did there. And about the fact that they wouldn't be able to reach Yuna's inflated score even if they hadn't made those mistakes, based on simple math. The only 'reply' that your buddies could produce is to go to the hypothetical score from a fanatsy land and not to talk about the score at Worlds-2013 at all. Cheat again.
Originally Posted by bara1968
If you were telling the truth, then that Master's posts would be still on the borad. But they got deleted by Mathman. Lying is always bad.
Originally Posted by cooper
Of course I did read your post #142. That's why I didn't take it seriously. You were not just cheating with GOE, you also "rounded up" PCS as well. Basically you went to a fantasy land of a hypothetical skating because you couldn't deal with the real skating and the score Yuna got at Worlds 2013. Once again- take the real score from the real event that Yuna got, take the real mistakes that Caro and Mao did and now tell me how would thay have possible reached the Yuna's inflated score if they hadn't made those mistakes. Can you read protocols and see their mistakes? Obviously not. In FS Caro- one fall, << on 3S, single her Loop; Mao- edge call, two <, -GOE on 3A. Do you need their SP as well? No fantasy land with hypothetical skating if you please this time. Only the real answer. I you can.
Originally Posted by Melon
I do. Invalid ones. Due to the reason I explained above^. Maybe you can give me the valid one?
Originally Posted by Krislite
06-20-2013, 11:27 PM
Yuna's Ice Rink