The right word has been found- Yuna's score at Worlds-2013is just the special case. I wonder how much it helps the skaters and to the audience and, which is much more important, to the justice in this sport that go abused. No one cares what title you put on her win and score. The cheat took place and that's the only thing that counts.Kim has not received that much GOEs except in FS at 2013 World. I can't remember when she got +3 on spin or step in the past. It was special case.
I think it is because the premise is what would happen if they all went clean, presumably with their planned programs. There are already plenty of discussions and threads about who people think will win. But the probability of going clean doesn't factor into this hypothetical since they are already assumed to go clean. If we're talking maximization of scoring potential, Caro's program doesn't maximize her scoring potential either, as Caro could also put 2 lutzes, 2 flips, etc. so that would be a whole different discussion. I think that would be an interesting discussion to have, but it is a different issue from the hypothetical of clean planned programs.
Xactly, Krislite.Robeye brought up a good point--in that why are we assuming, for our comparison of hypothetical programs, a program by Yuna that has very high probability of being 100% clean vs. programs by Carolina and Mao with very low chances of 100% clean? In fairness, we should consider cases in which Yuna upgrades her tech content to a level that maximizes her scoring potential while being no less likely to be 100% clean than either Mao or Carolina. For instance, Yuna could include the 3Loop in her program while repeating both the Lutz and the Flip in the LP. While her chances of going clean would be slim, it certainly wouldn't be any more far-fetched than Mao doing a 100% clean 8-triple LP or Carolina doing a clean 7-triple LP at the Olympics. After all, Yuna herself has actually executed a few 7-triple programs in her past skating career. Just some further comments based on Robeye's post, which seems to have been overlooked in all the heated back-and-forth in this thread.
The right word has been found- Yuna's score at Worlds-2013is just the special case. I wonder how much it helps the skaters and to the audience and, which is much more important, to the justice in this sport that go abused. No one cares what title you put on her win and score. The cheat took place and that's the only thing that counts.
The right word has been found- Yuna's score at Worlds-2013is just the special case. I wonder how much it helps the skaters and to the audience and, which is much more important, to the justice in this sport that go abused. No one cares what title you put on her win and score. The cheat took place and that's the only thing that counts.
Sorry, dearie. No matter what judging system you apply, Yuna won Worlds 2013 fair and square. Nobody will remember the score you find so repulsive, since it was completely immaterial to the results, which were obvious to the audience and the competing skaters. On the contrary, the only thing people will remember is that she walked away with an indisputable victory.
You and me both. let's talk checks off all of the bullet points for trolling. Frankly, I am surprised that (s)he has been allowed to get away with it for so long.We all know how solid and indisputable Yuna's victory was -- for goodness' sake, the crowd was cheering so loudly that you couldn't even hear the last 10-15 seconds of the music. let's talk is just deriving pleasure from making ridiculous statements to get a reaction, assuming that ALL Yuna fans must be Yuna fans. That's why I haven't bothered replying to him/her.
The right word has been found- Yuna's score at Worlds-2013is just the special case. I wonder how much it helps the skaters and to the audience and, which is much more important, to the justice in this sport that go abused. No one cares what title you put on her win and score. The cheat took place and that's the only thing that counts.
Krislite said:It still does apply, because we cannot fairly limit Yuna in this hypothetical scenario to just her standard layout while assuming Mao can be 100% clean with her 8-triple LP. We need to max them all out with programs that each of them are even remotely capable of.
We all know how solid and indisputable Yuna's victory was -- for goodness' sake, the crowd was cheering so loudly that you couldn't even hear the last 10-15 seconds of the music. let's talk is just deriving pleasure from making ridiculous statements to get a reaction, assuming that ALL Yuna fans must be Yuna fans. That's why I haven't bothered replying to him/her.
No, sweetheart. That is where you are entirely wrong. PChan in his career too had wins that were not questioned, while his abnormal score rose a red flag almost immediately after Vancouver, if not earlier. Then it got escalated, judges kept giving him astronomic score, even with multiple falls, because they couldn't afford to admit that before that they had been doing something wrong, so, they just kept overscoring him. All this ended up with boo-ing in Nice and then the second his fake win in a row in Ontarian London. I noticed how no one from Yuna fandom failed to answer my question. I repeat- no one. Obviously because they have nothing constructive to say. Take the real score of Yuna at Worlds-2013, look at the real protocols with real mistakes that Mao and Caro did. And now tell me, if the hadn't made those mistakes and got their stuff fully ratified, how would they possible reach the Yuna's inflated score? They wouldn't. Simple math. That's the point. Overscoring is always evil. It's unfair to other skaters and it kills the competition. This sport has been damaged enough by CoP. If Yuna and her fandom don't care, I find it perfectly understandable. Why should they care.Sorry, dearie. No matter what judging system you apply, Yuna won Worlds 2013 fair and square. Nobody will remember the score you find so repulsive, since it was completely immaterial to the results, which were obvious to the audience and the competing skaters. On the contrary, the only thing people will remember is that she walked away with an indisputable victory.
Lol. What do you mean you haven't bother if you are bothering right now? The fact that you can't do it straight to my face makes your act more pathetic, but it doesn't change the fact you are replying to my honorable persona indirectly. Is it what Yuna fans do? You guys can't stop surprising me.let's talk is just deriving pleasure from making ridiculous statements to get a reaction, assuming that ALL Yuna fans must be Yuna fans. That's why I haven't bothered replying to him/her.
Obviously due to same reason why your buddies have been allowed to get away with worse stuff. It's so lovely to see how Yuna fans don't even recognize name-calling, personal attacks and insults when they come from their own pack, but they whine for moderation when it comes from someone else. Nothing can be more pathetic. I am missing Chan ubers. Even they were more life-enchanting. Yawn. No one here gets banned for bashing Plu, Mao, Chan, Dai. And they, Plu especially, survived way more nasty stuff. There is no reason why your Yuna should get any special treatment. It would make her and her fandom look weaker than the rest.:sarcasm:Frankly, I am surprised that (s)he has been allowed to get away with it for so long.
Who forgot? No way. The SLC scandal was staged by Skate Canada and NA media. Anyone who isn't living under the rock and who knows how to google knows that. The worst part is it resulted in CoP invented by SC and worshiped by Dore. The rest you know- declining popularity of the sport, questionable wins, scores, etc. :disapp:don't ever say anything that the russian fed is not corrupt..hey forget what happened in Salt Lake.
I think Yuna's score was exceptionally high (higher than it might have been otherwise) for two reasons:
1) she was the only one in the final flight to skate cleanly (there seems to be a subconcious PCS boost from judges for clean programs, which was apparent here)
2) she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.
It's undeniable that Yuna deserved to win Worlds in 2013 and, as has been told to skaters, coaches and everyone else, you cannot compare scores across events.
I think Yuna's score was exceptionally high (higher than it might have been otherwise) for two reasons:
1) she was the only one in the final flight to skate cleanly (there seems to be a subconcious PCS boost from judges for clean programs, which was apparent here)
2) she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.
It's undeniable that Yuna deserved to win Worlds in 2013 and, as has been told to skaters, coaches and everyone else, you cannot compare scores across events.
Great laugh! If I didn't know that you were a Yuna fan, I would say that you were fashionably sarcastic. For a Yuna fan it is the lamest reply possible. You are saying that with the SAME skating she could have won with 1 points or 22 points over her rivals. Jesus Christ . Is it your only defence left? What you are saying doesn't make any sense and, which is way worse, it contrudicts the whole idea of fair play. The judging system is called Code of Points, obviously for a reason. Your claim that the win of 1 or 22 points is irrelevant, in fact has no merit and only proves the flaws in the system. Moreover, the gap between 1 and 22 points is 21 points. A skater has to do a lot of stuff to earn such far to be a small sum. Disparading this difference as "not worthy" in fact doesn't make your Yuna any favour, unless you are saying that she was grossly overscored, which I am saying as well. Besides, treating the same level of skating as the one being "win" by 1 point or 22 points is not fair to the skater as well (Yuna is this case). Because the whole idea of CoP is to compare the skater not to his/her rivals, the one that Yuna fans have been trolling around, but to compare it to the certain standard and get rewarded accordingly. The standard doesn't change when Caro or Mao make mistake or don't. Therefore, claiming that Yuna got the inflated score just because her rivals made mistakes, is cheat, which is what CoP is all about.she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.
I think Yuna's score was exceptionally high (higher than it might have been otherwise) for two reasons:
1) she was the only one in the final flight to skate cleanly (there seems to be a subconcious PCS boost from judges for clean programs, which was apparent here)
2) she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.
It's undeniable that Yuna deserved to win Worlds in 2013 and, as has been told to skaters, coaches and everyone else, you cannot compare scores across events.