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Thread: What would podium in Sochi be if Kostner, Asada, and Kim all go clean

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    This thread is confusion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite
    It still does apply, because we cannot fairly limit Yuna in this hypothetical scenario to just her standard layout while assuming Mao can be 100% clean with her 8-triple LP. We need to max them all out with programs that each of them are even remotely capable of.
    Nothing is unfair in a hypothetical because its just a hypothetical. If Yuna is planning her standard layout, then yes, we can fairly limit her to that since clean planned programs are what this premise is about. I get that you think this hypothetical is unrealistic, but still, people are free to consider what would happen in this hypothetical, no? Just like if someone wanted to start a thread asking, "What would happen if 3loops were not counted as jumps?" That would be "unfair" for Mao since Mao does max amount of loops, but people are free to consider the question nonetheless. Maxed out programs are a totally different question.

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    Caro and Mao got score inflation more than YuNa. How could those flawed performance get 130+? It was Mao's personal best! In Fs, the gap between YuNa and Mao was ONLY 14. It should have been larger, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    We all know how solid and indisputable Yuna's victory was -- for goodness' sake, the crowd was cheering so loudly that you couldn't even hear the last 10-15 seconds of the music. let's talk is just deriving pleasure from making ridiculous statements to get a reaction, assuming that ALL Yuna fans must be Yunabots. That's why I haven't bothered replying to him/her.
    let's stalk is a russian who lives in japan. don't ever say anything that the russian fed is not corrupt..hey forget what happened in Salt Lake.. it was yuna's fault too.. and then you have the power of the japanese fed.. see.. only yuna is a cheater.. hilarious.. must be painful for her to see yuna kicking her favorite skaters as* BIG TIME..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Sorry, dearie. No matter what judging system you apply, Yuna won Worlds 2013 fair and square. Nobody will remember the score you find so repulsive, since it was completely immaterial to the results, which were obvious to the audience and the competing skaters. On the contrary, the only thing people will remember is that she walked away with an indisputable victory.
    No, sweetheart. That is where you are entirely wrong. PChan in his career too had wins that were not questioned, while his abnormal score rose a red flag almost immediately after Vancouver, if not earlier. Then it got escalated, judges kept giving him astronomic score, even with multiple falls, because they couldn't afford to admit that before that they had been doing something wrong, so, they just kept overscoring him. All this ended up with boo-ing in Nice and then the second his fake win in a row in Ontarian London. I noticed how no one from Yuna fandom failed to answer my question. I repeat- no one. Obviously because they have nothing constructive to say. Take the real score of Yuna at Worlds-2013, look at the real protocols with real mistakes that Mao and Caro did. And now tell me, if the hadn't made those mistakes and got their stuff fully ratified, how would they possible reach the Yuna's inflated score? They wouldn't. Simple math. That's the point. Overscoring is always evil. It's unfair to other skaters and it kills the competition. This sport has been damaged enough by CoP. If Yuna and her fandom don't care, I find it perfectly understandable. Why should they care.
    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    let's talk is just deriving pleasure from making ridiculous statements to get a reaction, assuming that ALL Yuna fans must be Yunabots. That's why I haven't bothered replying to him/her.
    Lol. What do you mean you haven't bother if you are bothering right now? The fact that you can't do it straight to my face makes your act more pathetic, but it doesn't change the fact you are replying to my honorable persona indirectly. Is it what Yuna fans do? You guys can't stop surprising me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Robeye View Post
    Frankly, I am surprised that (s)he has been allowed to get away with it for so long.
    Obviously due to same reason why your buddies have been allowed to get away with worse stuff. It's so lovely to see how Yunabots don't even recognize name-calling, personal attacks and insults when they come from their own pack, but they whine for moderation when it comes from someone else. Nothing can be more pathetic. I am missing Chan ubers. Even they were more life-enchanting. Yawn. No one here gets banned for bashing Plu, Mao, Chan, Dai. And they, Plu especially, survived way more nasty stuff. There is no reason why your Yuna should get any special treatment. It would make her and her fandom look weaker than the rest.
    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    don't ever say anything that the russian fed is not corrupt..hey forget what happened in Salt Lake.
    Who forgot? No way. The SLC scandal was staged by Skate Canada and NA media. Anyone who isn't living under the rock and who knows how to google knows that. The worst part is it resulted in CoP invented by SC and worshiped by Dore. The rest you know- declining popularity of the sport, questionable wins, scores, etc.

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    I think Yuna's score was exceptionally high (higher than it might have been otherwise) for two reasons:
    1) she was the only one in the final flight to skate cleanly (there seems to be a subconcious PCS boost from judges for clean programs, which was apparent here)
    2) she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.

    It's undeniable that Yuna deserved to win Worlds in 2013 and, as has been told to skaters, coaches and everyone else, you cannot compare scores across events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    I think Yuna's score was exceptionally high (higher than it might have been otherwise) for two reasons:
    1) she was the only one in the final flight to skate cleanly (there seems to be a subconcious PCS boost from judges for clean programs, which was apparent here)
    2) she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.

    It's undeniable that Yuna deserved to win Worlds in 2013 and, as has been told to skaters, coaches and everyone else, you cannot compare scores across events.
    finally. someone who has reason. rather than making assumptions about corrupt judging and blaming others because his/her favorite didn't bring her A game that night and should give credit where credit is due.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    I think Yuna's score was exceptionally high (higher than it might have been otherwise) for two reasons:
    1) she was the only one in the final flight to skate cleanly (there seems to be a subconcious PCS boost from judges for clean programs, which was apparent here)
    2) she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.

    It's undeniable that Yuna deserved to win Worlds in 2013 and, as has been told to skaters, coaches and everyone else, you cannot compare scores across events.
    Thank you for talking sense. Unfortunately, we haven't seen much of that on this thread, but ITA with everything you've said. Being spotless in the final flight made Yuna stand out, hence her humongous score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.
    Great laugh! If I didn't know that you were a Yuna fan, I would say that you were fashionably sarcastic. For a Yuna fan it is the lamest reply possible. You are saying that with the SAME skating she could have won with 1 points or 22 points over her rivals. Jesus Christ . Is it your only defence left? What you are saying doesn't make any sense and, which is way worse, it contrudicts the whole idea of fair play. The judging system is called Code of Points, obviously for a reason. Your claim that the win of 1 or 22 points is irrelevant, in fact has no merit and only proves the flaws in the system. Moreover, the gap between 1 and 22 points is 21 points. A skater has to do a lot of stuff to earn such far to be a small sum. Disparading this difference as "not worthy" in fact doesn't make your Yuna any favour, unless you are saying that she was grossly overscored, which I am saying as well. Besides, treating the same level of skating as the one being "win" by 1 point or 22 points is not fair to the skater as well (Yuna is this case). Because the whole idea of CoP is to compare the skater not to his/her rivals, the one that yunabots have been trolling around, but to compare it to the certain standard and get rewarded accordingly. The standard doesn't change when Caro or Mao make mistake or don't. Therefore, claiming that Yuna got the inflated score just because her rivals made mistakes, is cheat, which is what CoP is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    I think Yuna's score was exceptionally high (higher than it might have been otherwise) for two reasons:
    1) she was the only one in the final flight to skate cleanly (there seems to be a subconcious PCS boost from judges for clean programs, which was apparent here)
    2) she skated last which meant the judges could score (and did) the only viable winning program however they chose because a win by 1 point, 5 points, 10 points, or 22 points doesn't change the fact that it would be a win.

    It's undeniable that Yuna deserved to win Worlds in 2013 and, as has been told to skaters, coaches and everyone else, you cannot compare scores across events.
    ITA. I called it "happy piddles" scoring . The judges were so excited to see her knock her program out of the park they let the high scores fly. There was no question she was the winner and like you said, whether she won by 5 points or 25 didn't matter b/c no one can legitimately argue that she didn't deserve to win. I do think she was overscored at worlds this year in the FS (I actually think she was a tad underscored in the SP) but in the end, she was the clear winner so the numbers are irrelevant.

    Had she skated before Carolina or Mao, I don't think her score would have been that high...it'd have been high, but not that high. I mean, that was less than 2 points off of her Vancouver score! (150.06 vs 148.34). When I did my scoring my numbers for Yu-Na came up to 140.52. (Mao - 134.90, Carolina - 130.25). I feel like the judges were very generous with GOE, especially the +3s and that was the difference in my scoring versus what the judges came up with. Just to compare, Yu-Na received a total of 7 +3 GOEs in Vancouver; at worlds this year she received 33. I think that has something to do with the way the GOE are factored in now but it also has to do with the excitement of seeing her come back after so long and still be able to put on that kind of performance. They wanted to reward her for that...and on a night where the only other people who skated cleanly were not going to medal (Zijun Li and Kanako Murakami), why wouldn't they reward her?

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    since when mskater93 is a yuna fan?? she actually prefer carolina over yuna. it looks like every poster who is making sense on this thread is now a yunabot. simply paranoid. so.. keep it coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanatic View Post
    ITA. I called it "happy piddles" scoring . The judges were so excited to see her knock her program out of the park they let the high scores fly. There was no question she was the winner and like you said, whether she won by 5 points or 25 didn't matter b/c no one can legitimately argue that she didn't deserve to win. I do think she was overscored at worlds this year in the FS (I actually think she was a tad underscored in the SP) but in the end, she was the clear winner so the numbers are irrelevant.
    I think this is a good explanation of the result. I don't think her actual win could be contested. No one who was watching could have said, "Huh? Why did that performance beat all the others?" There may be other competitions in which one of the other ladies supersedes her, the way Elizabeth Manley's lights-out long program beat both Witt and Thomas at Calgary (though her combined SP/LP results couldn't get her the gold), but that day in Ontario, YuNa was The One and Only.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I feel that this performance would probably have won under 6.0 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooper View Post
    since when mskater93 is a yuna fan?? she actually prefer carolina over yuna. it looks like every poster who is making sense on this thread is now a yunabot. simply paranoid. so.. keep it coming.
    Just because you prefer one skater over another doesn't mean that you can't be a fan of both.

    I personally prefer Gracie Gold to Ashley Wagner. Will I still cheer myself hoarse for Ashley at 2014 Nationals? You bet.

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    I don't understand what this let's talk person is upto. Many people analyzed possible score potential of Asada in LP(Mathman, Flattfan etc. and many more) to prove that she can even break 150+ if she goes absoultely clean. But (s)he is still arguing Asada cannot score THAT no matter what without providing any proper reasoning besides corrupted judging system. Now I am curious. let's talk, WHY do you think that Asada cannot score higher than 148+ no matter what? Can you give your own score analysis(since CoP is CoP) within Asada to disprove almost everyone's argument within her? You keep saying it's simple math, but my simple math says if she perform first 4 jumps (3A, 3F+3Lo, 3Lo, 3Lz without UR or e)in LP cleanly with +1 GOE each, she would get almost 9 more TES than she actually got. (meaning, easily +75 or more in TES already, if she also cleanly performed 3F+2Lo+2Lo.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    Just because you prefer one skater over another doesn't mean that you can't be a fan of both.

    I personally prefer Gracie Gold to Ashley Wagner. Will I still cheer myself hoarse for Ashley at 2014 Nationals? You bet.
    that's true but she's attacking anyone who dare to say otherwise..and start generalizing that a fan is a bot..which is not even true..

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