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Thread: What would podium in Sochi be if Kostner, Asada, and Kim all go clean

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    I think Asada definitely would win in this case. Skating cleanly an insane, sick and twisted 8 triple program should win over 6 triple programs by the other two. Even if the judges favored Kim and Kostner, I don't think they would be able to ignore a program with both a clean 3A and 3-3. I don't see it happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan;746273athlete
    Kostner may be unlikely to skate clean, but Kim is almost likely to. So does she consider doing an easier program (but still very difficult one) if she cant manage her inhuman jump layout next season? However if she does that she is certain to lose to a typical Kim who she cant hope to beat with similar content, and completely taking the power out of her own hands. Tough situation for her.
    So she is so great. Even If she do not such very difficult jump contents, she still would be top skater over almost everyone elso. But she has incredible conents only for challenge as an athlete

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    Actually, I would include Mao along with Yuna/Caro when it comes to being favored by the judges. Technical panels aren't especially strict to Mao, are they?

    I think the most favored skater by both technical panels/judges is Caro. High PCS, high GOEs, etc.
    I actually think Yuna and Mao are on par. Technical panels are usually more generous to Mao, while Yuna(when it comes to some of her spins) may have generous judges who give her high +GOEs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mary01 View Post
    Goes to show how big an advantage it is when one is favored by the judges!
    Yes. Mao always receive the lowest goe(1~2) on jumps. It proves that Mao is the least favorite of judges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    The first page of replies is as far as I could read. Unless I'm missing something, Kostner made 2 mistakes and Yuna won by 21 points. Even had Kostner not made those 2 mistakes, Yuna would have still won by a very, very decisive margin, and that even does not consider her underscore in the short program.
    That is exactly the point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by torren View Post
    Yes. Mao always receive the lowest goe(1~2) on jumps. It proves that Mao is the least favorite of judges.
    Well, that's because Caro and Yuna have better jumps. Shouldn't +GOE for 3A with a double-footed landing be considered generous?

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    In terms of inflation Yuna is Chan in a skirt. She just stays on her feet, that's why her wins are usually not questioned. But it doesn't dismiss the whole point of inflation. Moreover, judging by the score she got at Worlds, even if Asada and Kostner would have skated clean, they would have still lost to her, just with twice smaller difference in score. All this kills the competition and sport itself when skaters know in advance that fight and risk is meaningless. That's why ANY inflation, either on a bigger scale (Chan) or a smaller one (Yuna) is always Evil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ven View Post
    The first page of replies is as far as I could read. Unless I'm missing something, Kostner made 2 mistakes and Yuna won by 21 points. Even had Kostner not made those 2 mistakes, Yuna would have still won by a very, very decisive margin, and that even does not consider her underscore in the short program.
    When I remind 2008 Worlds, When kim has simillar competition with her competitors, judges were harsh to her.

    Therefore, if three all go clean, show all good performance, I guess she would not Gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    In terms of inflation Yuna is Chan in a skirt. She just stays on her feet, that's why her wins are usually not questioned. But it doesn't dismiss the whole point of inflation. Moreover, judging by the score she got at Worlds, even if Asada and Kostner would have skated clean, they would have still lost to her, just with twice smaller difference in score. All this kills the competition and sport itself when skaters know in advance that fight and risk is meaningless. That's why ANY inflation, either on a bigger scale (Chan) or a smaller one (Yuna) is always Evil.
    Who knows what would've happened if it was exactly the opposite? Mao is a reigning Olympic Champion and is most consistent skater, too. And she skated two clean programs(8 triples FS) after about two years of break from ice. Her scoring would've been similar to what we see today in ice dance. Yes-3s for GOE and 10s for PCS, and at least 230+ for a total score. After all, judges have absolutely no reason to prefer clean Yuna over a clean Mao.

    As I've already said before, technical panels are very strict to Yuna. They're quite generous to Mao. If Mao has a slightly URed jump, they would not give an UR call to those jumps. If Yuna did-well, technical panels would've given her an UR call righ away. When Yuna makes mistakes, judges penalize her quite harshly. It isn't like Mao's scores were never inflated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by let`s talk View Post
    In terms of inflation Yuna is Chan in a skirt. She just stays on her feet, that's why her wins are usually not questioned. But it doesn't dismiss the whole point of inflation. Moreover, judging by the score she got at Worlds, even if Asada and Kostner would have skated clean, they would have still lost to her, just with twice smaller difference in score. All this kills the competition and sport itself when skaters know in advance that fight and risk is meaningless. That's why ANY inflation, either on a bigger scale (Chan) or a smaller one (Yuna) is always Evil.
    I said before in another thread, if she is the favorite of the judges, it is so strange that kim has been not judge scandal, unfair winning.
    In top three, maybe kostner suffered the most of judge scandal.(I thought it was because of european judges) Asada has one scandal in NHK. (I thought it was because of she is the favorite of Japan federation) kim has not, at least once.

    also, it is strange, too. Why, when she has similar mistakes with her competitiors in big event, she was always defeated by very small margin(just 1~2)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vera01 View Post
    Who knows what would've happened if it was exactly the opposite? Mao is a reigning Olympic Champion and is most consistent skater, too. And she skated two clean programs(8 triples FS) after about two years of break from ice. Her scoring would've been similar to what we see today in ice dance. Yes-3s for GOE and 10s for PCS, and at least 230+ for a total score. After all, judges have absolutely no reason to prefer clean Yuna over a clean Mao.

    As I've already said before, technical panels are very strict to Yuna. They're quite generous to Mao. If Mao has a slightly URed jump, they would not give an UR call to those jumps. If Yuna did-well, technical panels would've given her an UR call righ away. When Yuna makes mistakes, judges penalize her quite harshly. It isn't like Mao's scores were never inflated.
    I think you meant to type Yuna. Or maybe that Mao is a reigning World Champion? That DOES carry a lot of weight on the international stage (see Carolina this year); I agree with most of what you said, but I think that Mao is also penalized to a correct degree for flawed jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    I think you meant to type Yuna. Or maybe that Mao is a reigning World Champion? That DOES carry a lot of weight on the international stage (see Carolina this year); I agree with most of what you said, but I think that Mao is also penalized to a correct degree for flawed jumps.
    If Mao had been in same situation as Yuna-reigning Olympic Champion, consistent, and has skated two clean programs after two years of break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vera01 View Post
    If Mao had been in same situation as Yuna-reigning Olympic Champion, consistent, and has skated two clean programs after two years of break.
    Oops, I read that too fast. I think she would have been scored accordingly and deservingly.

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