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Thread: The Return of Marina Anissina to Ice Dance

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    Quote Originally Posted by ucrgirl View Post
    I really like it.

    A/P's "Carmina Buerana" was amazing, but I think V/M or D/W would also create amazing art with the same music.
    Yes, V&M and D&W as well as others have consistently created masterpieces under COP - A flawed and soul-crushing system, but creative skaters still have managed to transcend it.

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    Gwendal did a demonstration skate with Tiffany Zahorski this last year or so, after she and Miart broke up, so Gwendal is likely rmore in shape than Zhulin...or probably than Marina Anissina.

    I can't find the vid right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    Well, Italy could ask F-P/M to come back as well for the second time, so we could see another battle for the 2002 Olympic gold in 2014!
    We all know that Maurizio will once again trip Babs just to spite her

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    Most points doesn't mean good or anything like that! Right now it is how much you can move nonstop and like Marina says repetition! Like do a lot of nonsense moves that have no relation to music or interpretation or artistic reflection! It's all non stop motion that seldom has anything to do with music that's being skated to!
    The flip side to this, of course, is that so much of 6.0 dance relied on UBERTRAUMADRAMA. Sorta like some silent movies. And just as entertaining in a very camp way.

    The one thing dance has lost under 6.0 is an appreciation for moves that technically simple, but choreographically profound. Think, for instance, of the foot shuffles in Torvil and Dean's Mack and Mabel program. Simple, but very effective and often beautiful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WeakAnkles View Post
    The flip side to this, of course, is that so much of 6.0 dance relied on UBERTRAUMADRAMA. Sorta like some silent movies. And just as entertaining in a very camp way.

    The one thing dance has lost under 6.0 is an appreciation for moves that technically simple, but choreographically profound. Think, for instance, of the foot shuffles in Torvil and Dean's Mack and Mabel program. Simple, but very effective and often beautiful.
    I like the parallel to silent movies you've created. Not to argue against you, but I have to point out that many silent movies had a transcendent beauty precisely because they didn't depend on dialogue. At their best, their "vocabulary" had a huge range. Contrary to the rather cliche'd view of exaggerated emotions and garish make-up from lesser films, some were visual poetry: Garbo's Flesh and the Devil, for example, or the German expressionists' works. I mention that because a lot of 6.0 skating programs had a similar range, as you say technically simple but choreographically profound.

    Which is not to say that Annissina could mount a successful comeback this season. But what she and Piezerat accomplished was every bit as powerful as anything skated today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorispulaski View Post
    Gwendal did a demonstration skate with Tiffany Zahorski this last year or so, after she and Miart broke up, so Gwendal is likely rmore in shape than Zhulin...or probably than Marina Anissina.

    I can't find the vid right now.
    I think it was Olivier Schoenfelder who did the ISU demonstration skate with Tiffany Zahorski, not Gwendal
    It would be good if you have a link to a video of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackPack View Post
    You're just being facetious Zhulin is old and out of shape for competitive skating. He's never done the level of difficulty required now. And he's Russian. If Shabalin could continue to compete with that busted knee, he would have continued till this day. Plus he's Russian. They have to skate for France.

    Fedor Andeev is not known for his discipline. He tried out everything - singles, ice dancing, etc. but never amounted to much. Hard to tell if he is talented at all. He's certainly nowhere near Marina's work ethic, and Marina will kill him. And he will have to skate for France. 5 years of residency in France for a citizenship.

    You mean Marina skating to something like the Sunset Boulevard? Could work. I have a suspicion Marina may be too proud for the theme of the aging actress going for a last hurrah.

    The best partner is still Gwendal. He's been commentating for French TV. If Marina pointed a gun at his head, he might do it.

    I actually find it hard to believe that we are discussing this in a serious manner at all. It is absolute madness.
    Oh BlackPack you are no fun. Of course we are just playing. You make it sound like Marina has a lot of violence in her to get what she wants lol. She should do what Susan Lucci does - she makes it work for what she is. The actress is now playing some batty aging beauty/divorcee . marina needs to embrace her esxperience. Like Lucci''s character saying after the break up with the pool boy: He said it would be too embarassing to introduce me to his friends, he said I looked like I was forty" to which the maid says "well that's pretty good considering your close to sxity" Lucci then cries in agnst. Marina embrace yourself or at least brace yourself; it is going to be a bumpy ride/skate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    Oh BlackPack you are no fun. Of course we are just playing. You make it sound like Marina has a lot of violence in her to get what she wants lol. She should do what Susan Lucci does - she makes it work for what she is. The actress is now playing some batty aging beauty/divorcee . marina needs to embrace her esxperience. Like Lucci''s character saying after the break up with the pool boy: He said it would be too embarassing to introduce me to his friends, he said I looked like I was forty" to which the maid says "well that's pretty good considering your close to sxity" Lucci then cries in agnst. Marina embrace yourself or at least brace yourself; it is going to be a bumpy ride/skate.
    I think she does need to get violent to get what she wants, because no rational person is going to go along with her

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    I have really missed A/P and would welcome them back with enthusiasm.

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    I really miss Gordeeva and Grinkov but we can't bring them back :( I love Klimova and Pomarenko but they are even older :( What about Bourne and Kraatz while we are at it theya re one team who one would think deserved an olympic medal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skater Boy View Post
    I really miss Gordeeva and Grinkov but we can't bring them back :( I love Klimova and Pomarenko but they are even older :( What about Bourne and Kraatz while we are at it they are one team who one would think deserved an olympic medal.
    In my opinion nobody "deserves" an Olympic medal, it has to be won.

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    With all these talks about Olympic comebacks, this is looking like the Night of the Living Dead zombies on ice.

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    Well if we are to resign ourselves with Gwendel and Marina returnign I note both used their hair well for artistic merit. If Gwendel has his locks still they might as well go with waht they have. Marina can share some of that hair dye and they can go as modern day Rageddy Ann and Andy.

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    I still remember how her hair looked against that blue costume for Romeo and Juliet, my favorite of their programs. I'm normally not a fan of crayon-red hair, but she sold me with that program.

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    Yes, I agree. With all the jokes about Gwendal's lion mane and Marina's OTT red hair, their look on the ice was utterly stunning. Their hair deepened their dramatic look.

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