Which past US girls to send to Sochi?
Everyone seems to agree that our current girls are incapable of bringing home any medal even at their absolute best. So, in the same spirit as the other thread, if you can summon any girls (dead or alive), which 3 would you send to Sochi to snatch a medal from a hypothetical clean Kim, Kostner, and Asada?
I came up with only 3 names, although I'm not even sure if 2 of them are capable of getting the bronze. I'm struggling to find other names because they are just not good enough.
Tonya, Kristi, and Michelle.
Tonya has the 3x3, 3A, incredible speed, decent spins, good skating skills. Should be very competitive. Tonya at her best would be vying for the gold medal.
Kristi has the 3fLutz-3T, 3F, good skating skills. Natural performer. From her pro career, I think she has no problem with getting big PCS. Judges also love Kristi.
Michelle has great skills, another natural performer. Michelle has a flutz, but everything else should be solid enough.
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I actually think Ashley has a chance of getting maybe a bronze medal, but if I could, I'd send Michelle Kwan along with her. Maybe she could finally get the OGM she dreamed of. If she wasn't available, Tara.
Of course I'd send Kristi and Michelle. Wouldn't that be splendid?
That's an Olympics that would have Americans glued to their TV screens.
Tara and Sarah-killer instinct matters a lot.
Do you mean take them at their current ages and realistic abilities if they trained, or take them hypothetically at their peak transported to a new time and the advancements that come naturally with chronolology.
I would probably take Yamaguchi, Cohen, and one of Lipinski or Debi Thomas. Cohen scores really well under COP even when she makes mistakes. Yamaguchi would be a fairly strong COP skater and was a great competitor. I always thought Thomas would be suited to COP with her great basics, strong jump combinations, transitions, and very strong elements all around, and I am sure she could learn a triple lutz or triple flip at a later date when it was expected. Lipinski would do well based on sheer difficulty and attack.
Kwan is not a COP skater. Meanwhile you cant rely on Harding to be in good shape or skate well, and she is only in decent shape and skating well in competition like 10% of the tie. The only way I would take her is if you had a promise it was 1991 Harding only or something like that. Lastly Sarah Hughes, ROTFL!!!!!!! Sarah would get KILLED under COP. Now if you mean at their current ages I would take nobody, and just take the current girls. No past skaters aged 30 or over would be competitive coming back at that age, but I presume that is now what you meant.
Why pick someone like Cohen who you just know is going to fall once or twice and blow it yet again?
Lipinski and Sarah are the easy picks.
If I could have 2003 Michelle she would be next, then I would take a 2010 Mirai or Rachael.
Send them at their absolute best. After all, I'm assuming top 3 will be perfect. Who in the past can snatch medal.
Cohen, I double will come even close to Kwan's scoring potential. Her jumps are tiny, and she has a lot of issues. Her spins aren't particularly strong, COP-wise. They are level 2 or level 3 or something. Her steps aren't strong either. I'm assuming she lands everything.
Under COP, I also don't think it's possible for Tara to match Michelle. Tara would get the kind of PCS the Russians are getting.
COP puts a lot of emphasis on SS, so the girls who are going must at least have competitive SS.
Recently watched Sasha at the 2006 Olympics, and I forgot how tiny her jumps were. I am now shocked she managed to make the podium so many times.
Those jumps would carry 0 or - GOE in this day and age.
Compare them to Arakawa's jumps, I'm surprised the judges didn't give all 3s.
At the rink. Again.
Stellar SS of the past (assuming they could have gotten or had competitive jumps to today's skaters): Kwan, Thomas, Harding (fully trained), Chin, Lynn, Yamaguchi, Kadavy
Hmm, maybe Chin would be competitive as well. I remember she put out a few 3As in practice, and those look really good.
Which of them can pull out a 7 triples program?
I don't think 6 clean triples from these girls can beat a 6 clean triples Yuna or 7 clean triples Caro.
Michelle for her consistency, Sasha for her artistry, and Tara for her technical difficulty. Throw 1991 Tonya in there and we might have a team that could challenge for the gold medal.
You must live in a different universe than me. Cohen's spins are definitely capable of being level 4 (at her best). She has just the kind of freaky flexibility necessary to pull off most of the COP spins everyone is doing. Her steps were actually pretty strong under COP. Could get level 3 for sure. Her jumps aren't huge, but they had good flow in and out when landed and she is very capable of doing transitions in and out of them. She has flutz problems but she does not have UR problems. (again, at her best) I actually think as a skater she is uniquely well suited to COP because her garish falls would not be penalized as much.
Originally Posted by FlattFan
Again why on earth is anyone even considering Sarah. Sarah's 2002 Olympic winning performance (her best ever would look something like this:
Originally Posted by snsd
2 axel- 0.7 GOE
triple salchow<-triple loop<<
triple lutz-double toe E -2 GOE
triple flip -1 GOE
triple toe-triple loop<
triple toe- 0 GOE
Her short programs were never any good and would be lucky to be top 10 in todays strong field, and then her long would have about 3 credited triples in COP eyes. It is simply a joke anyone would pick her as one of the 20 first past Americans one would choose to send to an all time U.S Olympics under COP.
I am not a Cohen fan but she IS a very strong COP skater. She held the WR scores under COP for many years until Kim broke them. Her spins are excellent under COP, she usually got the most points in spins of any skater. Are you actually implying Kwan's spins under COP would be nearly as strong as Cohen's, LOL! Maybe you typed Cohen and you meant Kwan there, as Kwan is the one who struggles to even get level 2 spins under COP probably. As for steps, her footwork got all level 2s and 3s in the Turin LP, and the most points of anyone, and her spirals speak for themself. Kwan also had outstanding spirals but even struggled on those under COP, getting a level 1 on her spiral sequence in some of the rounds at the 2005 Worlds and seemingly confused what she should be trying to do with it. Granted we never saw a prime Kwan under COP and I am sure she would be reasonably good, but for a better chance to medal in such a strong field under COP I would still take Cohen. Not that I think either would medal over a perfect Kostner or perfect Asada (I wont even mention Kim who is too consistent and far out of both their reach under COP), but I think Cohen would be the one more likely to capatilize on any mistakes from Kostner and Asada, and one or both are likely to make quite a few mistakes at the Games given their history. Of course if it were 6.0 I would take Kwan over Cohen in a heartbeat.
Originally Posted by FlattFan
As for Harding how can one guarantee her skating even close to her best even taking a time of her career she is supposably at her best. This is Harding we are speaking of. Does this fantasy include a button that guarantees said skater skating their best. I would take Harding for sure if one could guarantee her 91 National or Skate America performances, or even say her 86 Skate America or 89 National performance, but otherwise no way. She can easily just come out and do only 2 triples at any given time. Dont get me wrong, I love Tonya's skating but she was incredibly irregular at producing even close to her best even in her so called best years.