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    Makaraova's career if she had medalled at the 2011 Worlds

    Looking back at the 2011 Worlds it appears Makarova actually had a really good shot at the bronze medal had she skated her best. The judges already put her 3rd in the short over a clean Leonova with the same jumps, with both higher TES and PCS, which indicates the judges considered her Russian #1 then (a huge contrast to 2012 Worlds SP when skating cleanly with the same jumps Leonova was a whopping 6 points above). She also received some very generous PCS for her quite bad LP performance with many mistakes, higher than Mao Asada for instance, and much higher than Murakami who always beat her easily in juniors. Had she scored about the same as Leonova in the long she would have had enough to hold onto the bronze overall. Would her career since have panned out differently had she medalled at those Worlds.

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    It's impossible. She had become an sp skater only. She had a specialty and it was the sP and it was amazing that she got to euros and worlds based on sp. No lutz no flip barely other triples. I can't buy the foundation but ... No can't buy the foundation.

    Whatever if she medaled she would've been gone same time.

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    In the SP, she can get away with 3T3T and 3Lo.
    In the LP, no matter how you slice it, she won't be competitive. There's no way she can medal at the 2011 Worlds.

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    She was actually capable of a 3F in 2011 (she landed it in the FS with a +0.70 GOE), her problem was that she was never able to land both her loops well... At worlds, the first was clean, the second << with a fall; at Euros she popped both of them; at Nationals she landed one loop with 0 GOE and completely missed one of the 3S; during the GP she was planning the 3Lz and only one loop but never skated clean... When she changed coach, they took the lutz away; she then lost her 3F, too, now there's no hope for her unless she brings back at least one of them...

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    Makarova was seemingly making good progress on jumps as shown by 2010 skate Canada but it all regressed. Her end point was always within the 2010-2014 quad! Even if she won a euro or world medal. She surprisingly became an ace sp competitor! Really good but even with skating lp cleanly the base value of jumps was too low. She was not Mao or kostner in pcs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    In the SP, she can get away with 3T3T and 3Lo.
    In the LP, no matter how you slice it, she won't be competitive. There's no way she can medal at the 2011 Worlds.
    I don't like that the scoring system allows women to avoid the two hardest triples commonly done, yet still place high in the short. I don't know of any way to fix that, but under the old system at least you could use the SP to weed out skaters who can't jump well enough in the long to win. Yes, there are skaters who skate well in the short and not in the long but this is a bit different because the SP with toes and a loop does not show technical difficulty needed to compete for the top spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't like that the scoring system allows women to avoid the two hardest triples commonly done, yet still place high in the short. I don't know of any way to fix that, but under the old system at least you could use the SP to weed out skaters who can't jump well enough in the long to win. Yes, there are skaters who skate well in the short and not in the long but this is a bit different because the SP with toes and a loop does not show technical difficulty needed to compete for the top spots.
    Except If your kostner and Mao! Lol! True there should be a mandatory flip or lutz in the sp!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    In the LP, no matter how you slice it, she won't be competitive. There's no way she can medal at the 2011 Worlds.
    She certainly could have taken a medal if she skated her LP perfectly. Look at Kostner WINNING the World Championships in 2012, with no Lutz and only 5 Triples (3 of which were easier ones) in total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    She certainly could have taken a medal if she skated her LP perfectly. Look at Kostner WINNING the World Championships in 2012, with no Lutz and only 5 Triples (3 of which were easier ones) in total.
    A third tier skater with third tier programs and third tier packaging cannot emulate Kostner's successful formula.
    Imagine Adelina doing 3T and 3Lo and 1 Flip now. Good luck getting a medal in the GP. You can't possibly believe what you wrote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't like that the scoring system allows women to avoid the two hardest triples commonly done, yet still place high in the short. I don't know of any way to fix that, but under the old system at least you could use the SP to weed out skaters who can't jump well enough in the long to win. Yes, there are skaters who skate well in the short and not in the long but this is a bit different because the SP with toes and a loop does not show technical difficulty needed to compete for the top spots.
    I think a 3T3T is harder than a 3Lz-2T. But that's moot point since the ordinal system is out. You can place high in the short, but still lose badly in the LP. You don't have to weed anyone else out because in the LP, skaters like this girl weed themselves out. There's justice in the new system because of the Zayak rule and the 7 jumping passes force them to do something else.
    So, don't worry about these girls crowding the top spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    I don't like that the scoring system allows women to avoid the two hardest triples commonly done, yet still place high in the short. I don't know of any way to fix that, but under the old system at least you could use the SP to weed out skaters who can't jump well enough in the long to win. Yes, there are skaters who skate well in the short and not in the long but this is a bit different because the SP with toes and a loop does not show technical difficulty needed to compete for the top spots.
    Eh, in Europe it's okay. Korpi and Lepisto did well with 3t-3t and 3lo in the SP, and Kiira I guess can do a lutz and a flip but not consistently, Laura never even attempted the flip and lutz was not a good jump for her. Anyways Lepisto won a bronze medal at Worlds with a 3t-3t and 3lo SP (where she didn't even land her 2a cleanly) then in the FS she did 3t-3t, a 3lz that wasn't really fully rotated and was quite awkward looking, 2lo-2t, 2a, 2s-2t-2t, 2a. That's novice level content but she won a World medal anyways. Gedevanishvilli has medaled at Euros twice and she does 3s as her solo jump along with a 3lz-2t, 3t-3t, or 3lz-3t (rarely), and for a long time she wasn't doing 3lo or 3f at all so her triples in the FS were 3lz, 3t, 3s only. Marchei was 4th at Euros this year and 3rd in the SP with 3s as her solo jump in the SP (with a 3lz-2t combo) and no 3lo in the FS (and for some time, she was not attempting 3f either). So in Europe, the ladies can be competitive with 2 or 3 reliable triples (if it's 2 though, 1 needs to be harder than 3t or 3s), and if they get lucky sometimes the ladies can do well at Worlds with this content.

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    She is the most disappointing for me, as I find her the most interesting and enjoyable Russian lady at the moment.

    Even with the mistakes on the jumps, there is something about her I like. Rough around the edges but I like her a lot!

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    Makarova never mastered the lutz and her success rate with the flip was only 50-50, even when she was rotating it. Her biggest problem since 2010 has been URs, and that has seemingly ended her time in the limelight---she didn't get even one GP invitation. You have to wonder if the Russian federation even submitted her name for consideration.

    Even in her 'glory' days, it was her SP that kept her in contention. Her FS was always a problem for her. Then there were her FS choices--remember the horrible 'Marilyn' debacle? IMO that program was the start of her slide into oblivion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Makarova never mastered the lutz and her success rate with the flip was only 50-50, even when she was rotating it. Her biggest problem since 2010 has been URs, and that has seemingly ended her time in the limelight---she didn't get even one GP invitation. You have to wonder if the Russian federation even submitted her name for consideration.

    Even in her 'glory' days, it was her SP that kept her in contention. Her FS was always a problem for her. Then there were her FS choices--remember the horrible 'Marilyn' debacle? IMO that program was the start of her slide into oblivion.
    I think it's because she's not competing this season that she didn't get a GP....

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    A third tier skater with third tier programs and third tier packaging cannot emulate Kostner's successful formula.
    That's a ridiculous assessment. Makarova was a very talented skater and received good scores when she skated well. She definitely would have won a medal at 2011 Worlds if she skated her LP perfectly. End of story.

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