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Thread: Czisny preparing for one last run at Olympic glory

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-man View Post
    In addition to your outrage, imagine the outrage Gao, Nagasu, Agnes would have if they outskate a Hicks or a Wang, yet were nevertheless somehow passed over for a trip to Sochi as suggested by mskater 93. All three have been skating to a high level over the last 3 years, yet none has made a world team in 3 years. Christina has given up a year at Harvard and surely expects to be treated fairly. I am sure Nagasu's family is not rolling in bucks and is sacrificing to continue skating. Agnes has been third the last two years, and probably believes the 3rd spot is rightfully hers (despite subpar international results). The judging in Omaha was certainly suspect, and the US Fed would be wise to not have a second year in a row on National TV with suspect judging.
    I am pretty sure regarding Sochi the 3rd spot will go to whomever skates well at Nationals (although if someone is held up and gifted the spot blatantly with big problem it would be Agnes based on NAtionals scoring over the years). However post Sochi they will look to Generation Next and the old guard are also wisely taking their last kick at the can to try for Sochi but will move onto the next phase of either their skating (shows, pro, choreography) or life after next season. The only one who could stay in realistically is Ashley, but I think alot of whether she does will depend on her results next season. She probably will stay in a year or two more if she doesnt atleast medal at Worlds, to try for that in a likely weakened field, although the 2014 Worlds will already be missing some veterans, so if she cant medal there it could be an indication she either had a bad event, or perhaps the up and comers are already passing her by and best she perhaps move on to then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    An insane statement. 24 years old. OH NO.
    A couple months from turning 25, in ladies amateur singles skating that is definitely old, and for someone who had great success in their mid teens it is really old. How many have success at that age. Even Kwan was considerably past her prime by then. Butyrskaya, Kostner, Arakawa and Slutskaya are the only exceptions in modern times, and Butyrskaya and Arakawa were only good at that age and beyond since they were mediocre international level skaters until atleast 22.

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    Give it a rest with your tired pettiness. Life isn't a box and those who really yearn and work to accomplish something are capable of going beyond the short-sighted limits you'd like to place upon them. Also, you forgot Akiko Suzuki.

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    Guys Alissa isn't 24, she turned 26 on June 25th. 26 is definitely old for a female skater

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Guys Alissa isn't 24, she turned 26 on June 25th. 26 is definitely old for a female skater
    The previous posts were referring to 2018 Mirai, not Alissa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silverlake22 View Post
    Guys Alissa isn't 24, she turned 26 on June 25th. 26 is definitely old for a female skater
    It's especially old for a skater who's recovering from two hip surgeries within a single year.

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    You have to wonder if Mirai's parents will fund her skating through 2018 if Mirai continues to finish out of the top 3 at US Nationals year after year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    You have to wonder if Mirai's parents will fund her skating through 2018 if Mirai continues to finish out of the top 3 at US Nationals year after year.
    Well, her international results haven't slipped as much as her low Nationals placements would seem to portend. I think she has some sponsors, and she's quite popular in her home town, so that covers at least some of her skating costs.

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    Every skater fights their own inner demons, sought their own unique battles and versions of glory.

    It is more than medals for someone who has accomplished so much for the sport, but still seems so under appreciated like pretty much every one else impossible to to follow the legacy set by MK. No matter what results she 'failed' to deliver, when she did, she is a hero. but when she fails miserably, her spirit in tatters, body that simply gave up on her, she still doesn't gave it up on her self. Does that make her goals any less than heroic or more so?

    Are other skaters who are not even close to Alissa's level, older, or recovering from worse injuries but carry on competing because they love it and they continues to strive bettering themselves running fools errands? Clearly they are not the fools in this equation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    Every skater fights their own inner demons, sought their own unique battles and versions of glory.

    It is more than medals for someone who has accomplished so much for the sport, but still seems so under appreciated like pretty much every one else impossible to to follow the legacy set by MK. No matter what results she 'failed' to deliver, when she did, she is a hero. but when she fails miserably, her spirit in tatters, body that simply gave up on her, she still doesn't gave it up on her self. Does that make her goals any less than heroic or more so?

    Are other skaters who are not even close to Alissa's level, older, or recovering from worse injuries but carry on competing because they love it and they continues to strive bettering themselves running fools errands? Clearly they are not the fools in this equation.
    to os168! Best of luck to Allisa in the new season!

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    Quote Originally Posted by drivingmissdaisy View Post
    Mirai will be 24 years and 10 months in 2018. She would have no chance.
    That's crazy! I have to strongly agree with Blades of Passion on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    A couple months from turning 25, in ladies amateur singles skating that is definitely old, and for someone who had great success in their mid teens it is really old. How many have success at that age. Even Kwan was considerably past her prime by then. Butyrskaya, Kostner, Arakawa and Slutskaya are the only exceptions in modern times, and Butyrskaya and Arakawa were only good at that age and beyond since they were mediocre international level skaters until atleast 22.
    Even if one accepts the rest of what you say, that is too many exceptions to count as exceptional. Moreover, one could hardly deny that Nagasu (and Czisny), have, more or less, to this point been mediocre international level skaters, in terms of their placements.

    Nagasu is too young, in my opinion, for it to be appropriate for anyone to speculate on what potential her amateur career has left.

    In Czisny's case, it is, I think, extremely arrogant and demonstrates a lack of awareness of the limits of one's own knowledge for internet commenters to say what she "should" do, as though they know better than she (and her coaches) what her potential is; it implies that she is a fool. This is my general response to anyone who says "skater so-and-so needs to retire!".

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    I would never send anyone less than the best available to an Olympics or worlds.
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    What I wish is that we could take "what we believe" out of the equation altogether. That is why I have never complained about the rule, let the skaters earn their spots at nationals. That takes "belief" off the table. No need to manipulate anything.
    "What we believe" is wholly relevant to who is "the best." "The best" is not, pace most commenters, an objective fact. It all depends on what is being measured. Best what? Best jumper at their best? Most consistent jumper? Most "artistic" (insofar as figure skaters can be described as artists)? Best at getting good scores from US judges? Best at getting good scores from international judges? And so on.

    Mind you, I don't think judgments of "the best" are subjective. They are objective, in my view. But one needs to specify the criteria according to which such judgments are being made. And which criteria are most important may be subjective. They are, at least, highly debatable, and consensus seems unlikely.

    And, last, not in response to anyone specifically: GO, ALISSA! (I really liked your last post, os168.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    Every skater fights their own inner demons, sought their own unique battles and versions of glory.

    It is more than medals for someone who has accomplished so much for the sport, but still seems so under appreciated like pretty much every one else impossible to to follow the legacy set by MK. No matter what results she 'failed' to deliver, when she did, she is a hero. but when she fails miserably, her spirit in tatters, body that simply gave up on her, she still doesn't gave it up on her self. Does that make her goals any less than heroic or more so?

    Are other skaters who are not even close to Alissa's level, older, or recovering from worse injuries but carry on competing because they love it and they continues to strive bettering themselves running fools errands? Clearly they are not the fools in this equation.
    Skaters have the right to continue trying insofar as they are able. For me, the privilege of seeing Alissa skate outweighs any analysis of her possibilities for victory. I can almost guarantee that (unless of course she is in bad shape and can't land anything) watching Alissa will be more rewarding for me than watching the person who gets all the correct points and scores the win. In other words, currently there's no other active competitor who gives me the thrill that Alissa gives because of the richness of her skating. Maybe I'm not the right kind of skating fan, but there it is. Go, Alissa!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    Skaters have the right to continue trying insofar as they are able. For me, the privilege of seeing Alissa skate outweighs any analysis of her possibilities for victory. I can almost guarantee that (unless of course she is in bad shape and can't land anything) watching Alissa will be more rewarding for me than watching the person who gets all the correct points and scores the win. In other words, currently there's no other active competitor who gives me the thrill that Alissa gives because of the richness of her skating. Maybe I'm not the right kind of skating fan, but there it is. Go, Alissa!

    Oh, totally agree! She's such a lovely person and skater. It's worrisome and admirable at the same time how she's pushing her physical limits. Most people would never have the heart, as cheesy as it may sound. Watched a video of her performing in Art on Ice recently. She did look rather shaky but she's doing her Beilmann again, and on TSL they said she's doing triples now. I do hope she makes the Olympic team, and even if she doesn't it'll be wonderful just to see her skate again.

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    Im sure she will try but for me she really passed her prime
    there are better things she can do now outside skating as a 26 year old

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    Im sure she will try but for me she really passed her prime
    there are better things she can do now outside skating as a 26 year old
    Which things she can no doubt do AFTER she eventually stops skating as a whatever-year-old. For instance, if she retires after this season - which is very likely - what difference will one year have done, really? Why shouldn't she try?

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