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Thread: Czisny preparing for one last run at Olympic glory

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    That was the old Alissa. This is the new, improved, nothing to lose, devil may care Alissa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    That was the old Alissa. This is the new, improved, nothing to lose, devil may care Alissa.
    You know I hope you're right, Math!

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    Afraid not. This is the 26-years-old Alissa who's recovering from her second surgery in the past year and who can no longer do a 3lo. In her last competition a little over a year ago, she fell on a 3f and dislocated her hip. So I rather doubt she's suddenly flinging her cares to the wind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ I don't knpw that I would agree about the mental toughness issue. She gets nervous when she jumps, true (but not as nervous as I get when Alissa jumps ) But she never bails, she never backs off, she never changes a triple into a double, she never pulls back from her planned program when things are not going well. Even at 2012 worlds, where she fell on every jump, she still got up and attacked the next one with determination.

    Does Alissa deserve an Olympic berth ahead of some up-and-comer? That's what we will find out next January. Young or old, over-the-hill or new kid on the block, come and skate for it.
    I think her problem is that she doesn't attack her jumps with determination. She almost always seems tentative me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    ^ I don't knpw that I would agree about the mental toughness issue. She gets nervous when she jumps, true (but not as nervous as I get when Alissa jumps ) But she never bails, she never backs off, she never changes a triple into a double, she never pulls back from her planned program when things are not going well. Even at 2012 worlds, where she fell on every jump, she still got up and attacked the next one with determination.
    Not quite true. Alissa has had a history of constantly changing the layout of her programs. In the 2010-2011 season this was the case starting with the GP, at US Nationals, etc. Mind you, this was Alissa's best season ever internationally.

    2010 Skate Canada FS:
    3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3f, 3lo, 3t, 2a, 3t (fall)

    2010 TEB FS:
    3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3t, 3lo-hd, 3f (fall), 2a<, 1t

    2010 GPF:
    3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3s, 3lo, 3z, 2a, 3t

    2011 Nationals:
    PLANNED: 3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3t, 3lo, 3f, 2a, 3t+2t+2t
    EXECUTED: 3z+2t, 3f, 3t+2t+2lo, 3lo<, 3z+2t, 2a, 3t

    2011 4CC
    3z+2t, 3fe<<(fall), 3t+2t+2lo, 3lo, 3z<<, 2a, 3t<+2t

    2011 Worlds
    3z (fall), 3fe+2t, 3t+2t+2lo, 3lo, 3z+2t, 2a, 3t


    In other events at other times, Alissa has doubled intended triples, perhaps out of nervousness or just a tentative takeoff.

    So all the things you say she never does, she HAS done. It doesn't make much sense to put a halo over her past performances. We haven't seen her skate since the Worlds 2012 debacle. Let's not have unreasonable expectations for her when she opens the season with her club competition this coming Friday.

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    OK, OK.

    But she's awful pretty.

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    Yeah, let's not let facts get in the way...she's just so pwetty oh man.

    I quit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    OK, OK.

    But she's awful pretty.
    Indeed. One of the prettiest skaters to walk the ice, to me her only rival in beauty is Kiira Korpie

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    If she were just pretty, I would simply wish her well and wait for her to start her modeling career or some other glamorous second life. But she's one of the best and most graceful spinners ever, and when I watch her, I see something no other skater can do. So I hope she can continue in some way in skating, probably as a pro, and that her competitive career ends with some version of a satisfactory result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mathman View Post
    OK, OK.

    But she's awful pretty.
    Aw, isn't she? And seems so genuinely sweet. It does make you want to ignore her faults and keep cheering for her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    If she were just pretty, I would simply wish her well and wait for her to start her modeling career or some other glamorous second life. But she's one of the best and most graceful spinners ever, and when I watch her, I see something no other skater can do. So I hope she can continue in some way in skating, probably as a pro, and that her competitive career ends with some version of a satisfactory result.
    Yes! These are my thoughts too. I don't want to make hopes or have any expectations of her. I feel like in 2009 with Sasha Cohen. Sasha was the reason I started watching figure skating and I wanted too much to see her at a third Olympics (I haven't seen her live at fer first because I wasn't watching figure skating very often at that time so I missed it). She was close. I don't want to expect anything from Alissa, but to be healthy so that I can see her gorgeous spins and spirals (that she "inherited" from Sasha) many times from now on.

    For the last years, Alissa and Kiira were my favourite figure skaters. Two beauties who gave me stomach aches every time they competed and many times I closed my eyes when they had to jump. But that is my type of skater, the type of skater who gives me chills. And they gave me a hard time these past years, both being injured and missing a lot of competitions. But I know something about my girls: one is blonde and doubles every time she is insecure (at least one time in the long program) and the other one is brunette and falls everytime she gets scared and thinks too much before jumping. Alissa doesn't do doubles very often, she is stubborn, she wants to do it, it doesn't matter if it hurts or she feels she can' t do it. Kiira is more relaxed: so if I can't do it than I don't, I just double or pop. Sometimes I wish she were more stubborn like Alissa.

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    I remember there was a fluff piece where Yuka Sato said that if Alissa was really mentally weak, she would have already quit. I totally agree. I think she is a fighter. It's just that she hasn't been able to figure out how to get that consistency under pressure. Yeah, she has popped and doubled jumps here and there but just look at her 2012 worlds performance. She went for every triple. Anyone who has skated can tell you that those falls HURT, but she just kept going and completed all other components of her program beautifully. Now that takes strength!

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    I think it takes real courage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFarone View Post
    As Chuckm pointed out up thread the only comp. she is in is a local club competition and possibly Cup of Nice. I guess Cup of Nice might allow her to reach the TES required for competing at the Olympics provided she makes the U. S. team. She doesn't have any GP events and won't get any at this point (I don't think). Last season she wasn't able to compete at Nationals because of her hip injury.

    It also seems that she will have to compete at her regionals Upper Great Lakes, and sections Midwesterns to qualify for Nationals.
    She's in Eastern Great Lakes (MI, OH, KY, IN, TN, AL). If she goes to CoN, she gets a bye through Mids (assuming she makes top 4 out of EGLs). She'd have a more difficult time at Upper Great Lakes than EGLs.

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    Ok this is getting nit-picky. We all know jumps are not her strong suit, for whatever reason (technique, physical strength, mental strength). However, I think constantly changing her layout is a bit of a stretch. Yes her layouts changed in the example you gave, but mostly due to a fall or missed jump, so she had to add a 2T on to another jump to get a combo. That's skating smart to try to make up lost points. She didn't attempt a 3S in her 2010 GPF free skate...it was a 3T. She did change the layout for the 2nd half of that season to up her technical score, as she wasn't doing a three jump sequence until nats. Again the slightly changed layout at 4cc and worlds were due to a fall on a planned combo jump, so she wisely tacked on a double toe elsewhere in the program. Also, since 2008 (I didn't bother to go back further), she only doubled one planned triple (a 3F to 2F in the 2010 SP at Nats), although she did pop several jumps. She *might* have doubled a 3T following a 2A, but she rarely attempted that combo. Stating she has doubled intended triples is not very accurate.

    Splitting hairs, but I think you're stretching the facts to help prove your point. She's consistent with her program layout, and it's not like she's making it up as she goes along. I'm sure she's well trained to know to add a double toe if she missed it earlier in the program.




    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Not quite true. Alissa has had a history of constantly changing the layout of her programs. In the 2010-2011 season this
    was the case starting with the GP, at US Nationals, etc. Mind you, this was Alissa's best season ever internationally.

    2010 Skate Canada FS:
    3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3f, 3lo, 3t, 2a, 3t (fall)

    2010 TEB FS:
    3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3t, 3lo-hd, 3f (fall), 2a<, 1t

    2010 GPF:
    3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3s, 3lo, 3z, 2a, 3t

    2011 Nationals:
    PLANNED: 3z+2t, 3f+2t, 3t, 3lo, 3f, 2a, 3t+2t+2t
    EXECUTED: 3z+2t, 3f, 3t+2t+2lo, 3lo<, 3z+2t, 2a, 3t

    2011 4CC
    3z+2t, 3fe<<(fall), 3t+2t+2lo, 3lo, 3z<<, 2a, 3t<+2t

    2011 Worlds
    3z (fall), 3fe+2t, 3t+2t+2lo, 3lo, 3z+2t, 2a, 3t


    In other events at other times, Alissa has doubled intended triples, perhaps out of nervousness or just a tentative takeoff.

    So all the things you say she never does, she HAS done. It doesn't make much sense to put a halo over her past performances. We haven't seen her skate since the Worlds 2012 debacle. Let's not have unreasonable expectations for her when she opens the season with her club competition this coming Friday.

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