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    As has long been true, Reliable Rachel is living up to her nickname. That's such a lovely trait in a skater and in a person. I hope she's successful to whatever degree is possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skatel80 View Post
    I would be shocked If the USFSA even considered sending her to a senior B after this. As chuckm said, skaters must demonstrate they are ready for international competition. It would be unfair to other skaters who are competing well at the moment but getting no assignments for alissa to be sent. It would be better to send one of the other girls from that section to help alissa advance to nationals. TBH I don't think I am discounting her any more than I should, She is doing well to be coming back from such a catastrophic injury and to be competing and I really wish the best for her, but I think the Olympics are unrealistic, Czisny did not land one clean triple here, Hicks, wagner , Gold and even nagasu are way ahead
    Not be mean but did she even fully rotate the lutz? Gee, she is a beautiful skater but she makes katarina witt right now look like a jumping bean. And witt was the queen of garbage triples.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Olympia View Post
    As has long been true, Reliable Rachel is living up to her nickname. That's such a lovely trait in a skater and in a person. I hope she's successful to whatever degree is possible.
    Well, reputations are earned, and I think Rachael has a spot on reputation, minus that worlds incident. I admired her for saying she was dealing with an injury, and then subsequently got hosed by USFS. Alissa the next year goes out clearly not right and falls on everything, but states she doesn't know why until the next day when she's diagnosed with a labral tear. Yarrite. I wish them both well, and I want to see them both at Nationals. I might not enjoy Flatt's skating, but I think she has an incredible amount of talent and integrity. Same with Czisny. Good luck girls.

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    Is Alissa receiving any outside funding to help her with her training costs?

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    I wonder if she earned any money from her appearance in the Chrysler ad about Detroit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    LOL, she should just go out there and do a bunch of Double Lutzes. They are worth a good amount of points. Look at the base value for this layout:

    2Lutz+2Loop
    2Axel
    2Lutz
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    2Lutz+2Toe+2Loop
    2Axel+2Toe
    2Lutz
    2Lutz

    24.7 in base value from the jumps. If she gets +1 GOE on them all, that is an extra 2.5 points.
    9.7 in base value from spins (two Level 4 CCoSp and a Level 4 Layback). She should be able to get +2 on the combination spins and +3 on the Layback, so that's an extra 3.5 points.
    5.3 in base value from footwork sequences (Level 3 step sequence + Choreography Sequence). Should be able to get +1 on the footwork and +2 on the choreography sequence (use those spirals girl!), so that's an extra 1.9 points.

    Total Technical Score = 47.6
    Program Components = 60? Shouldn't be hard to get at least this if she really performs. Can do a lot of transitions as well when you're just doing all double jumps. ^_^

    Total Score = 107.6

    That's a ticket to Nationals for sure. Give herself more time to train the Triples.
    That's brilliant. Thanks for calculating this, Blades of Passion. I wouldn't recommend Czisny actually plan to do this (and I take it you suggest it at least in part humorously, no?), but I have been thinking that Czisny's programs this season should be designed to highlight her unique qualities and excellences, and focus less on jumping difficulty. I think she could justly win a bronze at Nationals with a 5-planned triple free skate, assuming it is executed reasonably well. She really doesn't need to aim for 6 or 7.

    Quote Originally Posted by LRK View Post
    I think the question is really WHY Alissa only did doubles.

    Did she do them because she couldn't do triples?

    Or because she chose not to because a) she did not need them, and b) she did not want to risk aggravating her injury this early on, and decided to work herself up in time to harder content.

    I have no idea which it is - I'm curious as to what it may be. If she is unable to compete triples, and continues to be unable - then that would be the end of it. But we don't know if that is the case. So, I suppose, we'll have to wait and see.
    Thank you, LRK, for pointing out the alternative hypotheses. This board is full of Czisny detractors whose apparent bias against her causes them to assume the first hypothesis (before a) is obviously correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Victura View Post
    I think it's a bit premature to be judging what Alissa is capable of based on one competition at Regionals. If you were in her shoes and knew that you could advance without doing triples after having had a major injury, would you take the risk? Especially when the last time she came back from injury, she threw in all the marbles at a local competition that didn't matter one bit and ended up with an even worse injury? She very easily won by a large margin this time doing just doubles, and I think it's a smart approach to take to ease onself back into competition mode after having been away for awhile.
    Yes, I think this is a very plausible explanation. Had been thinking much the same myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Icey View Post
    Short Program- “Consolation No. 3 in D Flat Major” by Franz Liszt
    Just listened to this. It's really beautiful, and well-suited to Czisny's style. Eager to see her skate to it. I'm not familiar with this having been skated to before. I'm sure it has been, but not famously. (Or maybe I am just really ignorant.) Anyone know?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlattFan View Post
    She did 3F-2T, 3Lo, 2A in the SP.
    Where/when did Flatt do this? I must have missed something.

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    People are questioning if Alissa is still capable of landing triples or not. I think the that fact that she only planned her hardest triple says a lot. She probably felt that she needed to get the lutz attempts in the program out there and is most likely confident enough about the easier triples to add them later. She knew she didn't need them for Regionals and just went with the doubles to ease herself back into competition. It would be stupid for her coaches to make a statement that she is landing triples when she's not. And I'm sure they're not foolish enough to believe that she can coast onto the Olympic team with just doubles.

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    For someone just easing her way back into competition, and knowing her strengths/weaknesses, it appears Team Czisny is employing the right strategy (so far).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyanydots View Post
    People are questioning if Alissa is still capable of landing triples or not. I think the that fact that she only planned her hardest triple says a lot. She probably felt that she needed to get the lutz attempts in the program out there and is most likely confident enough about the easier triples to add them later. She knew she didn't need them for Regionals and just went with the doubles to ease herself back into competition.
    This is true. She will absolutely need her Lutz to be competitive. It's good of her to be trying it at these competitions.

    I still don't think she needs the Flip or Loop, though. With her health, it's such a big risk...and for minimal reward. Her 3Flip gets an edge call and frequently got < calls or had landing issues even when she was healthy. This is also the jump that she went down on hard and dislocated her hip. I see no point at all in her training this jump. A good 2Lz gets her 2.4 points and allows her to increase her speed and transitions in the program, which means better PCS. Her 3Loop was a consistent jump for her, but after a labrum tear? Probably not a good idea. And, again, that jump requires a lot of setup time for her so she's losing PCS by attempting it.

    I gave a potential score for Alissa with all doubles, so here's a layout with just 3 Triples in total:

    2Axel
    3Lutz
    FCCoSp4
    2Lutz+2Loop
    StSq3 (Level 4 if they can manage to make one that works with the program; that's the key)
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    3Toe+2Toe+2Loop
    2Axel+2Toe
    CCoSp4
    3Toe
    ChSq
    2Lutz
    LSp4

    Her score could go up 9 points on the tech with that layout (not even counting the possibility of Level 4 footwork sequence), which would put her total at 116.6. That's really not bad at all. And then you have to figure her PCS would also go up if she really performs and has a good program, because these Triples carefully spread throughout the program provide enough of a technical excitement. It's all about phasing the program into segments where there is a clear buildup for the Triples to make them stand out.

    I could see Alissa hitting 122 in the LP (that would account for a PCS of 65.4), with just 3 Triples in total. She will need to do a great, clean SP to be taken seriously heading into the LP. It all depends on Alissa being able to deliver a truly excellent programs. Her team needs to get to work NOW with focusing on that gameplan. Training only two different triple jumps should certainly help with giving extra time and energy towards creating the heavenly programs and performances she will need to succeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pepe Nero View Post

    Where/when did Flatt do this? I must have missed something.
    Rachael skated at a small club competition 2-3 August in Colorado called the Colorado Championships. She scored 56.09 in the SP and 87.37 in the FS. Here is a link to the results http://mhfsa.org/files/2013-Co-Champs-IJS-Results.pdf

    As far as I know protocols are not available. I read about Rachael's SP jumps on another board, but don't remember where - sorry.

    Also, when TSL interviewed Yuka Sato they asked her about Alissa's training. I realize that Yuka is not Alissa's primary coach (Jason is) but she responded that Alissa is working on triples, but when she has pain they have to back off on the training. I got the impression that training isn't "getting better" everyday -- it's more like one step forward two steps back. I have no idea whether she planned triples or doubles at Regionals. She will need triples at Sectionals and who knows if she will be able to do them on the day she needs to or whether she will have too much pain.

    I like Alissa and Rachael a lot. They are following their dream and I wish them the very best.

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    If Alissa is still having pain almost a year after surgery that is not a good sign. Michelle Kwan was able to skate pain free a year after her surgery for a torn labrum and she had gotten most of her triples back. At that point she had to make a decision about returning to competition, but she decided instead to continue with her education and went on to graduate school.

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    I agree with chuckm if Alissa is still in pain, if she isn't performing triples really in October in competitions this is not a good sign. This is not only a physical issue but mental and it appeared Alissa who had all the makings of a champion already had issues mentally and with the jumps in particular. All this "media glossing" or spinning and trying to make everything positive by her handlers or just the way we handle things in life can't hide the truth - it is hard to accomplish things like a triple lutz or whatever if physically and mentally you are unable or even have a doubt. It is like trying a triple axel and they give you a 10lb weight - just another thing to throw your precarious landing off. You have to go into a competition or jump or spin with 100percent confidence your body and mind will hold up otherwise that doubt or that mental issue is like an albatross around your neck. Spin spin spin but it is concerning for Alissa and she may not express it to the world one can only logically deduce she must have some doubts - she wouldn't be human and probably more pain or physical concern that she lets on. Of course, we, I wish her well but this is an uphill battle. I remember reading about Jill Trenary and while it was never explicitly stated but more than her injury (minor to most) when she retired it seemed it was more mental because she had it all jumps, spins and style. There was a certain polish and as consistent as yamaguchi became she wasn't so much in the early 90s (Yamaguchi if you look at her performance while gracefull never had that command of Trenary, Kerrigan, Kwan, even Bobeck - just something wasn't there but I am not sure body lines?) Ihope Alissa can truly skate witht eh freedom and confidence not somuch for winning but for her self.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    A good 2Lz gets her 2.4 points and allows her to increase her speed and transitions in the program, which means better PCS.
    Theoretically this is true, but I am not sure that the judges would award higher PCS for easier technical content, even when the transitions and speed have improved.

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    I am just no so sure we should be promoting a tripleless program and I am not sure the judges will hold it up - it is like the chicken and egg question will they or should they give the pcs if more difficult ransition and choreography but in lieu of harder jumps. And we aren't talking just little technical differences there is a huge difference between a triple and a double. I hope the poster is right that Alissa must be so confident about her easier triples that she is only trying the lutz - but I sadly think that is wishful thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blades of Passion View Post
    This is true. She will absolutely need her Lutz to be competitive. It's good of her to be trying it at these competitions.

    I still don't think she needs the Flip or Loop, though. With her health, it's such a big risk...and for minimal reward. Her 3Flip gets an edge call and frequently got < calls or had landing issues even when she was healthy. This is also the jump that she went down on hard and dislocated her hip. I see no point at all in her training this jump. A good 2Lz gets her 2.4 points and allows her to increase her speed and transitions in the program, which means better PCS. Her 3Loop was a consistent jump for her, but after a labrum tear? Probably not a good idea. And, again, that jump requires a lot of setup time for her so she's losing PCS by attempting it.

    I gave a potential score for Alissa with all doubles, so here's a layout with just 3 Triples in total:

    2Axel
    3Lutz
    FCoSp4
    2Lutz+2Loop
    StSq3 (Level 4 if they can manage to make one that works with the program; that's the key)
    -----
    3Toe+2Toe+2Loop
    2Axel+2Toe
    CCoSp4
    3Toe
    ChSq
    2Lutz
    LSp4

    Her score could go up 9 points on the tech with that layout (not even counting the possible of Level 4 footwork sequence), which would put her total at 116.6. That's really not bad at all. And then you have to figure her PCS would also go up if she really performs and has a good program, because these Triples carefully spread throughout the program provide enough of a technical excitement. It's all about phasing the program into segments where there is a clear buildup for the Triples to make them stand out.

    I could see Alissa hitting 122 in the LP (that would account for a PCS of 65.4), with just 3 Triples in total. She will need to do a great, clean SP to be taken seriously heading into the LP. It all depends on Alissa being able to deliver a truly excellent programs. Her team needs to get to work NOW with focusing on that gameplan. Training only two different triple jumps should certainly help with giving extra time and energy towards creating the heavenly programs and performances she will need to succeed.
    If Alissa did a 3 triple LP at Nationals and scored 122 points and made the Olympic team there would be an uproar. Especially if other skaters landed many more triples.

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