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Thread: Czisny preparing for one last run at Olympic glory

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    The 3rd spot is still wide open. Nobody really distinguished themselves. I am most disappointed in Gao. I thought this was the year she was going to finally do it, but she looks awful so far. Zawadzki is more a mess than ever. Hicks gets low PCS so unless she skates perfectly wont score well. Nagasu is << on her jumps like crazy. Cesario or Wang could do it, especialy Cesario.

    Czisny still has a fighting shot if she can pull something out of the hat at Nationals, if only by virtue of nobody after the 2 locks for the team are doing well now. I cant see anyway Flatt comes close as she isn't a favorite of the USFSA, but Czisny always was and probably still is, so if everyone bombs at Nationals and she pulls off a surprise performance (as she has often done) you never know.

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    There is nothing to suggest Czisny can pull off 3rd, other than her success in the past and higher PCS than some of those fighting for bronze. But unfortunately for her, figure skating is a sport. Cesario/Zawadski/Gao/Wang/Nagasu are all skaters who even with their inconsistencies are still jumping far better than Alissa at this point. One hopes for a comeback, but it's not looking pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    do you honestly think that a skater is going to try to overcome injury and compete again if they don't want to be on the podium?
    Yes.

    Obviously skaters who are competitive want to achieve the best results they're capable of. Many do quit as soon as they realize that their results are never going to be any better than their best so far (which may be well in the past by the time they reach that realization) or will never be on a major podium.

    But others enjoy the process of training, setting ambitious but attainable goals, and doing their best to achieve those goals even if said goals do not include major medals.

    Often there may be both aspirational goals -- if everything goes just right, I could achieve this, so I'm going to aim for it -- as well as probable goals -- if I do my best, I am likely to achieve this.

    Skaters learn early on that they can't control how well the other competitors skate or who that panel of judges will reward. So it's good to have goals that don't relate to final competition results as well as those that do. And to aim for the best possible result but go in willing to accept lesser rewards.

    Which goals they choose to share with the press and public (for those at a high enough level to be of interest) may depend on how they want to be perceived. Sometimes they'll overemphasize ambition and other times underemphasize it.

    Skaters at the elite levels are more likely to have competitive personalities than those at lower levels -- although I don't know that Czisny is one of the most driven.

    Skaters who have been on top have more to lose by competing and failing to reach the top.
    But they also have more to gain from competing even if they know the top is unlikely.

    If they want to compete internationally in future seasons, going through the national qualifying process is a necessary step to get those assignments and potentially to get funding for next year's training. For those with near-top-level ability, even if the Olympic team seems like a long shot, getting close enough to the top for a trip to Worlds or Four Continents this year could be another incentive.

    Skaters who want to make the Olympic team, or the world team for the first time, may know they have little chance to win an Olympic or world medal, at least not this year, but just qualifying to compete at that level is a significant achievement in itself.

    Skaters who have never been to Nationals -- or one step down, never been to sectionals -- but who have the opportunity to get there this year, even if they don't expect to win, can look at just qualifying for that next step as a significant accomplishment on its own terms. And it can also help to have that competitive experience on their resume if they want to go on to become a coach or judge or technical specialist.

    Some skaters love to perform for audiences, and competing at Nationals gives them a large crowd and a chance to be shown on TV to much larger numbers.

    If they're looking for a post-competitive career as a performer, keeping their name in public consciousness is better PR than just fading away.

    Skaters who had a bad experience at their last competition may want to finish their careers with a good competition so they can retire with good memories.

    Those are all reasonable goals and are not mutually exclusive.

    Skaters who know in their hearts they're not going to win Nationals this year likely have other goals in mind. If they're working toward those goals, they're not just taking up space.

    And yes, there are some skaters who truly believe they have the ability to accomplish results that everyone else around them can see is obviously out of reach. And there are some skaters who don't really want to compete any more but have spent so much of their lives focused on training for competition that they don't know what else to do with themselves.

    Unless you know the person personally, you don't really know whether their goals are reasonable or not.

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    Well.....I don't agree with you.

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    Sometimes skaters aren't just about the placement. I think Alissa obviously wants to be on the podium as her main goal, but her realistic goals are probably something more along the lines of skating well and performing for the fans.

    As mentioned, some skaters also want to end their career on a high note, even if their chances to medal/win are slim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    As mentioned, some skaters also want to end their career on a high note, even if their chances to medal/win are slim.
    I agree, and actually trying to do it has to be better than just quitting and always wondering "what if I had tried for 2014" - at least if she tries, she'll know rather than having to live with the regret of never knowing for sure if it was possible or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahspins View Post
    I agree, and actually trying to do it has to be better than just quitting and always wondering "what if I had tried for 2014" - at least if she tries, she'll know rather than having to live with the regret of never knowing for sure if it was possible or not.
    Yep. She completely let 2006 and 2010 slip through her fingers. Try once more, she's not even competitive, but miracles can happen,, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    Yep. She completely let 2006 and 2010 slip through her fingers. Try once more, she's not even competitive, but miracles can happen,, right?
    Certainly. I'm doubtful that she'll even skate but for Alissa there are three land mines in the SP (the jumping passes). If she gets past those she will be in a good position for the LP, where she'll have to land 4 or 5 strong jumps to make the team. If she's clean(ish) her PCS will be in the low 30s/ low 60s, which will give her a 15-20 point cushion over people like Courtney.

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    And her season has ended: http://www.usfsa.org/Story.asp?id=49713&type=media

    Two-time U.S. champion Alissa Czisny has withdrawn from the 2014 Midwestern Sectional Figure Skating Championships. She will not compete for the remainder of the season.
    The following can be attributed to Alissa Czisny:

    "It's a tough decision for me not to compete at sectionals this week. I've given my very best to make a full recovery and a successful comeback to competition, but I'm simply not yet completely prepared to be competitive. I've made great progress, and all the elements are returning, but it's been slow and I cannot rush the process without risking further injury.

    "I'm so thankful for everyone who has supported me on this journey, and especially to those people who have been there every step of the way. It breaks my heart that I will not be competing this season. As for the future, I'm still uncertain what that holds for me. Skating has been a passion for me, and I definitely want to continue skating through performing in shows."

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    Alissa is OUT! so sad for her!! :'(

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    Can't say this was unexpected.

    Is this the end of her competitive career? She doesn't definitively say it, but the last sentence seems to hint at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sarahspins View Post
    I agree, and actually trying to do it has to be better than just quitting and always wondering "what if I had tried for 2014" - at least if she tries, she'll know rather than having to live with the regret of never knowing for sure if it was possible or not.
    I think so too. Nothing wrong in trying despite knowing that one may not be able to beat the top two. The reality is if all competitors will only compete if they can and will medal, there will be no competitors. There are some competitors I enjoy watching but I also know they are unlikely to medal big. It doesn't matter. Different strengths make figure skating interesting. Alissa is a beautiful girl and skater. All skaters have to bow out some day. Figure skating, unfortunately, is a demanding sport especially for singles. I assume, most of them, at some time of their lives will need an operation.

    Wishing Alissa will continue show skating.

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    I am honored to even just know Alissa Csizny. She is the strongest person I have ever met and will forever be inspired by her.
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    https://twitter.com/stephencarriere/...43245636104192

    Bet a lot of fellow skaters feel the same about Czisny.

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    I know any points I may make here are now moot, but being the sort of person I am, I can't resist the temptation of the debate.

    Gkelly's post (#333) is really thoughtful. Hard for me to contemplate the effort that would have gone into such a well-considered post. Gkelly generally makes fools of the rest of us. In response, noskates says:

    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    Well.....I don't agree with you.
    Nice. That is a persuasive argument. Noskates, you can do better than that.

    I long for the optimism I had about Czisny's prospects a week ago. What a world of dreams it was! Ha.

    I'm mainly posting this here because I didn't want to spoil the goodwill being expressed on the newest thread about Czisny, in light of her withdrawal from Sectionals, by starting a debate. That thread needs to be hater-free.

    All this got me thinking, though: I'm glad Czisny competed at 2012 Worlds. I've thought a lot about it since, often thinking I'd wished she'd withdrawn after that Challenge Cup event in which she struggled prior to Worlds, even if she didn't yet know the cause of her struggle. "Couldn't she see the trend?", I thought.

    Now, I am glad -- is this perverse? -- that she competed. She went out (internationally) with a bang, so to speak. Not a good bang, but nevertheless. She won't fade into obscurity, like so many other American women before her, who disappeared mid-season.

    And really, after her SP at Worlds that year, the fact that she even qualified for the FS is a testament to the excellence of her other skating qualities. And then, after disaster, she still did not place last in the FS. And she kept going. Most skaters would have skated over to the judges in the middle and asked to withdraw.

    I actually re-watch that skate sometimes for its beauty, tragedy, and brilliance as performance art, even if it is not technically good, jump-wise. She should have gotten 10s across the board for her Interpretation of Valse Triste.

    (And please no one say that Czisny should have withdrawn so the US would have a shot at 3 spots the next year at Worlds. As if Zawadzki would have placed high enough...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiamForeman View Post
    Yep. She completely let 2006 and 2010 slip through her fingers. Try once more, she's not even competitive, but miracles can happen,, right?
    Yep miracles can happen but not this time. Next up Evan. Will there be a Christmas miracle for our favourite Vera Wang dressed George Hamilton (tan) skater?

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