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Thread: Czisny preparing for one last run at Olympic glory

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Kwan was feeling pain in her last two seasons of competitive skating, and Tara was feeling pain in her Olympic season. They both had the same surgery as Alissa. Tara went right back to skating after the surgery and developed arthritic pain in her hip which eventually put an end to her skating career. That's when she switched to acting.

    Michelle had the surgery, but waited for about a year before getting back on the ice, meanwhile finishing up her undergrad degree. She resumed training, but never returned to competitive skating, instead deciding to go to graduate school. Michelle has done exhibition skating, and has said she now skates without pain.

    Neither Michelle nor Tara returned to competitive skating after the surgery. Naomi Nari Nam also had the surgery, and it ended her competitive career as well.

    What is different about Alissa Czisny is she is the only skater that I know of who had surgery for a torn labrum and attempted a return to competitive skating. It's not that I don't wish her well, but I have my doubts about whether she can make a successful return, at the level she was before the labrum injury.
    I think Czisny knows this was going to be her last year regardless and just wants to try to stay in one piece and make it to the Olympics now that the U.S has that 3rd spot. That is her goal and dream and the only reason she is trying to push through for just one more year. After that the only skating you will see from her is some exhibition or show skating she mostly does double jumps.

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    Dr. Debbie Thomas, a hip surgery specialist, said she didn't think it was possible for a skater to have torn labrum surgery and return to elite competitive skating. She said the labrum, a section of cartilage, never heals to a completely normal state because there is scar tissue that isn't as strong as the original cartilage. That makes sense in regard to Alissa's hip dislocation after her first surgery. But I would think that the danger of dislocation exists even after the second surgery, for the same reasons the first episode happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post


    What is different about Alissa Czisny is she is the only skater that I know of who had surgery for a torn labrum and attempted a return to competitive skating. It's not that I don't wish her well, but I have my doubts about whether she can make a successful return, at the level she was before the labrum injury.
    The pairs skater John Couglin is attempting to come back after the same surgery.

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    Someone made the point early on that an added complication to Alissa's hip problem is the fact that she doesn't land her jumps securely, so she puts an extra strain on her hip by continuing to twist after she has landed. This must create an effect similar to that of unscrewing the lid from a bottle. I doubt her technique has grown any sounder while she's been off the ice.

    Gee, I'd love to see her do well this season, but I fear that the deck is stacked against her. Still, if she wants to try, it's her choice.

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    I understand the desire to compete and it is her decision - she should thank her stars she has the money though not everyone can make such decisions or take such risks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckm View Post
    Tara went right back to skating after the surgery and developed arthritic pain in her hip which eventually put an end to her skating career. That's when she switched to acting.
    Tara has said that it was a "huge misconception" that her hip is the reason she stopped skating. She had the surgery in 2000 and continued to skate full performances for two years. If it put an end to her skating, she wouldn't still be skating (like her Rockefeller Center and Caesar's performances.) There were no jumps but she was still out there doing it. In statements about her desire to return to skating, she not once has mentioned hip pain as her reason for being away from the ice. She has frequently mentioned wanting to pursue a different lifestyle and dabble in acting as why she stopped skating.

    Yes, John Coughlin is coming back. It is yet to be seen how he performs. As for the other retired skaters mentioned (Kwan/NNN, etc), just because these are the only skaters you have "heard of" doesn't mean there aren't dozens of others who have had this surgery (trust me, there are.) Not all of them are crippled for life and they can continue to skate. Often times this problem comes at the end of their careers anyway, and it's just easier to quit than to go through rehab. It is hard to be off the ice, get into a relaxed lifestyle (get lazy or get busy with other things), then go back full force into the life of a competitive skater. For those who do go through rehab, it's not the end of skating forever.

    It's really nobody's business if Alissa wants to continue skating. I'm not sure why people are so quick to sweep her out the door. Alissa has said that she does not want to go out on a bad note and have Worlds and Appleton define her forever. If she does not make the team and even competes a full program at nationals, I think that would be a victory for her. Can we let her have, that, please?

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    Tara has said many different things at many different times. She appeared in a TV interview during Nationals several years ago, and she spoke about her hip injury. She said she was feeling some pain in the year before the Olympics, and more pain during the Olympic year, but doctors couldn't find anything wrong. She signed with SOI after the Olympics and never went back to competitive skating. And within a year, she had the surgery on her hip. That is exactly what she said during that Nationals interview.

    Years later, when her acting career petered out and she returned to do skating commentary, she denied ever having pain, either in her competitive or professional careers, and said she'd never stopped skating because of the pain.

    Obviously, both stories can't be true. Take your pick.

    However, if you asked the other SOI cast members during Tara's time with SOI, they would tell you that she was frequently absent from rehearsals and even missed a few shows because her arthritic hip stiffened up and the cold, damp rink caused her a lot of pain. Eventually she quit SOI and we then began to see Tara in a series of acting gigs, but no more skating.

    Recently, while commenting for IceNetwork/Universal Sports, Tara mentioned a possible return to the ice. She did make a couple of appearances (no jumps) and then nothing. I guess we will have to wait to see if Tara will be on IceNetwork this season, now that they are doing all the GP events and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    Tara has said that it was a "huge misconception" that her hip is the reason she stopped skating. She had the surgery in 2000 and continued to skate full performances for two years. If it put an end to her skating, she wouldn't still be skating (like her Rockefeller Center and Caesar's performances.) There were no jumps but she was still out there doing it. In statements about her desire to return to skating, she not once has mentioned hip pain as her reason for being away from the ice. She has frequently mentioned wanting to pursue a different lifestyle and dabble in acting as why she stopped skating.
    See my Tara discussion above.


    Yes, John Coughlin is coming back. It is yet to be seen how he performs. As for the other retired skaters mentioned (Kwan/NNN, etc), just because these are the only skaters you have "heard of" doesn't mean there aren't dozens of others who have had this surgery (trust me, there are.) Not all of them are crippled for life and they can continue to skate. Often times this problem comes at the end of their careers anyway, and it's just easier to quit than to go through rehab. It is hard to be off the ice, get into a relaxed lifestyle (get lazy or get busy with other things), then go back full force into the life of a competitive skater. For those who do go through rehab, it's not the end of skating forever.
    I have said what hip surgeon Debbie Thomas, a skater herself, said about labrum tears. Many skaters have had labrum surgery and have returned to the ice, but to professional skating (for example, Rudy Galindo skated for years after hip replacement surgery). It may be possible for single skaters with a labrum repair to return in pairs skating, because there is far less emphasis on jumps and spins; Naomi Nari Nam did return as a pairs skater five years after her labrum surgery. But returning as a singles skater is far more daunting. In pairs, there is a total of 3-4 jumps in both SP and FS; not all have to be triples. A single lady has a total of 15 jumps, SP and FS combined, and most are triples.

    As the male in a pair partnership, John Coughlin is doing the lifting, not the complex air positions; the thrower, not the one landing the throw; and in the death spiral, he is the pivoter, not the one doing the spiral. Much of what he does depends on upper body strength rather than a need to stress the hip.

    It's really nobody's business if Alissa wants to continue skating. I'm not sure why people are so quick to sweep her out the door. Alissa has said that she does not want to go out on a bad note and have Worlds and Appleton define her forever. If she does not make the team and even competes a full program at nationals, I think that would be a victory for her. Can we let her have, that, please?
    No one has said Alissa shouldn't return. What has been said is that she is unlikely to return as the same skater who did so well in the 2010-2011 season. However, I think many will be holding their breath when she comes out on the ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leafygreens View Post
    It's really nobody's business if Alissa wants to continue skating. I'm not sure why people are so quick to sweep her out the door. Alissa has said that she does not want to go out on a bad note and have Worlds and Appleton define her forever. If she does not make the team and even competes a full program at nationals, I think that would be a victory for her. Can we let her have, that, please?
    You are awfully defensive about this. Most posters have said that it would be DIFFICULT for her to be competitive assuming she doesn't reinjure herself trying to regain her competitive form. That is ALL. Someone DID post what a former elite skater and orthopedic surgeon (who specializes in hips, really) has said about returning to competitive skating after a labral tear...I would be inclined to agree with Dr. Thomas since she would really KNOW!

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    Yes. The reality is, she must get to a certain level of competitiveness if she's looking to be on the US Olympic team. With two surgeries PLUS time off, and only four months left of preparation time, do the odds look good to anyone here?

    Not saying it's not impossible - we've all read of incredible comeback stories in the past - but this is a stacked deck. And there is concern about her long-term health. Yes, it is her decision, and her right, but she (and her fans) must be prepared for it not to end well.

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    She is doing St Clair Shores competition Sept 13

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    Thanks for the news, LeeStarr.

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    Let's all hope that she is satisfied with whatever she produces this year. It's so frustrating trying to come back from injury/s, and training with part of your mind trying to 'protect' the injured area. My wish to her is to not reinjure herself, and just be happy with any results, so she can at least know she tried.

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    Go Alissa! I believe in you!!

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    Any updates? Is she lnding the triple lutz?

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