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    Quote Originally Posted by Moment View Post
    Better control of air position
    Better control of landings
    Better toe technique
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    I really disagree... Gracie has some of the best jumps I've ever seen. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but she has excellent technique and actually rotates her jumps before landing them. She also looks more comfortable and going into her jumps whereas Liza has this cautious, careful approach, and it doesn't look as effortless. Both are excellent jumpers when they're on, but I'd totally give the nod to Gracie. Particularly Gold's 3Z-3T when executed cleanly is much better than anyone in the field (maybe even Yu Na, IMO).

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I really disagree... Gracie has some of the best jumps I've ever seen. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but she has excellent technique and actually rotates her jumps before landing them. She also looks more comfortable and going into her jumps whereas Liza has this cautious, careful approach, and it doesn't look as effortless. Both are excellent jumpers when they're on, but I'd totally give the nod to Gracie. Particularly Gold's 3Z-3T when executed cleanly is much better than anyone in the field (maybe even Yu Na, IMO).
    Gracie's jumps are good in height/distance, but I don't think her 3Lz+3T is the best. Her landings are stiff, and I find her arm movements right before the jump to be annoying at times. I'm not sure if she is doing that for future Tano/Rippon Lutz, but still, I find those movements to be unnecessary.

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    The only person with better quality jumps than Gold of todays skaters is Yu Na Kim possibly. The only one with more difficulty in jumps is Mao Asada. Gold is an inconsistent jumper in competition as of now of course, that is true, but Tuktamysheva with her short program programs especialy is atleast as inconsistent a jumper right now. No Tuktamysheva with her tiny jumps, although still strong, is not a better jumper than Gracie Gold, even if both go clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ForeverFish View Post
    Sorry -- what's so funny about it?
    No pressure, No consequences, no context of a whole program. Lots of things are proclaimed fixed in practice and have videos. Wagner zhang etc all fixed things! Usfs common PR practice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gmyers View Post
    No pressure, No consequences, no context of a whole program. Lots of things are proclaimed fixed in practice and have videos. Wagner zhang etc all fixed things! Usfs common PR practice.
    What does the USFS have to do with it? The videos on Gracie's personal Twitter speak for themselves...it's either "fixed" or "not fixed." No amount of federation staging can make a wrong edge a right edge.

    I do agree that there's not as much pressure in practice as in competition. Therefore, the question remains if Gracie's nerves will hold up when it actually counts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    The only person with better quality jumps than Gold of todays skaters is Yu Na Kim possibly.
    Tuktamysheva jumps better if in good state, but she was unstable past season (in good state she is the best Russian female jumper, better than Radionova).
    Mao Asada may jump well, her problem is unstability.
    Sotnikova - she needs to restore her level, and she may do it (or may not, we will see).
    Pogorilaya past season had jumping performance about the same as Gracie. You may compare jumping scores of Internationals of them (protocols are availiable at ISU site) and see no real difference.
    Suzunki sometimes jumps well.
    Lipnitskaia may have very good jumping performance, if she will fully restore after injuries.

    Yuna Kim is best in the World in jumps (even without 3Lo) and all the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianSkaterGuy View Post
    I really disagree... Gracie has some of the best jumps I've ever seen. I'm not a huge fan of hers, but she has excellent technique and actually rotates her jumps before landing them. She also looks more comfortable and going into her jumps whereas Liza has this cautious, careful approach, and it doesn't look as effortless. Both are excellent jumpers when they're on, but I'd totally give the nod to Gracie. Particularly Gold's 3Z-3T when executed cleanly is much better than anyone in the field (maybe even Yu Na, IMO).
    Gracie's 3Lz+3T is definitely huge, but Yuna has much better flow and control throughout that combo. Gracie's is still a bit awkward and sometimes turn-outs/step-outs of the landing on that 3/3.

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    I prefer Gracie though due to her posture, speed through her spins. And she tries to connect with audience. I think she is awesome for 17. I love her and Osmond, and hope they are the big two rivals in the next quad. Joyousness is catching. I think she will be unbeatable when the highly favored vets retire after Sochi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Gracie's 3Lz+3T is definitely huge, but Yuna has much better flow and control throughout that combo. Gracie's is still a bit awkward and sometimes turn-outs/step-outs of the landing on that 3/3.
    I agree. The beauty in Yuna's jumps is the silky flow in and out of them in addition to height and distance covered. The way they slice through the air has always impressed me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skateluvr View Post
    I prefer Gracie though due to her posture, speed through her spins. And she tries to connect with audience. I think she is awesome for 17. I love her and Osmond, and hope they are the big two rivals in the next quad. Joyousness is catching. I think she will be unbeatable when the highly favored vets retire after Sochi.
    Compared to whom? Liza? Liza does a much better job at listening to the music and connecting with the audience--as opposed to Gracie who barely seems to be aware of the music and the audience. On the other hand, if you mean Yuna, there's no comparison. Here's Yuna at 16: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bYtM0vmtkM. Shows much more maturity and musicality, drawing the audience into her performance, at 16 than what Gracie will likely be at 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post
    Since when Plushenko and Gachinsky are not medal contenders? What is so drama about it?
    And why Liza wouldn't battle for gold? She has best jumps, presentation, interpretation, her programs full of transitions, and if she skates clean only clean Carolina can beat her. Liza’s presentation/interpretation and energy are 10 times better then both Yuna and Mao together. Liza needs to be judged properly on her second mark.
    Adoreable. So a clean Liza would beat a clean Kim or a clean Asada with the jumps she currently plans. Liza has best jumps, presentation, and interpretation in the World. What is next, best skating skills too. Those comments are almost as funny as your other delusional post that Miki Ando has a good shot at the Olympic Gold only since she won the 2011 Worlds. Almost that is....To top it off Gachinsky as a medal contender for Sochi. The perfect capper to your cute fantasy land.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bestskate8 View Post


    ISU changed the rule?
    Please do name one female or male singles skater who has won the Olympic gold medal in figure skating without having medalled at Worlds earlier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krislite View Post
    Compared to whom? Liza? Liza does a much better job at listening to the music and connecting with the audience--as opposed to Gracie who barely seems to be aware of the music and the audience. On the other hand, if you mean Yuna, there's no comparison. Here's Yuna at 16: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bYtM0vmtkM. Shows much more maturity and musicality, drawing the audience into her performance, at 16 than what Gracie will likely be at 20.
    Gracie is finally coming into her own in terms of connecting to the audience. Her free skate at WTT is a good example of that. Blowing kisses to the crowd, her natural exuberance, etc. It obviously wasn't as musical as Yuna, but it was definitely on par with something that Liza (especially with her hand-shaking choreography this season) could deliver.

    A lot depends on music choices, actually. Gracie chooses fun pieces like Hernando's Hideaway, which can easily bring out one's personality. Liza's Adios Nonino is much more complicated, and I'm not sure she did a good job of bringing out the Latin undertones this season. I much preferred her 2011 SP style, which at least offered some smiles -- it doesn't do her much to attempt a serious/sultry demeanor when she looks so young and, IMO, uncomfortable portraying the character.

    I wouldn't knock on either of their chances of development yet. Both Gracie and Liza are still very new to the scene, and they have a lot of time for improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babayaga View Post
    I listened to one of their videos and I'm not watching it again. It wasn't bad, but I found it was completely empty of any in-depth analysis. They were just saying basic things , making trivial observations, people on forums usually have a lot more interesting things to say than what I heard from those two. So I am not surprised they were borderline insulting to their non-favorite: if you lack substance you have to attract the viewers somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GF2445 View Post
    I love the skating lesson but the moments when it feels like they are attacking or seriously criticising someone by Dave are uncomfortable.
    Quote Originally Posted by babayaga View Post
    I listened to one of their videos and I'm not watching it again. It wasn't bad, but I found it was completely empty of any in-depth analysis. They were just saying basic things , making trivial observations, people on forums usually have a lot more interesting things to say than what I heard from those two. So I am not surprised they were borderline insulting to their non-favorite: if you lack substance you have to attract the viewers somehow.
    Agreed. Nothing they say is more informative than the boards; in fact, I think they just copy what's being said on the boards. I do like their regular updates in the world of skating, but their last This and That with that Michael guy was unwatchable. I had to shut it down after a few minutes. They sounded like a bunch of prissy schoolgirls hollering Pollyana histrionics. I think their comments about Miki being termite were mean, but then all critics are mean. If they keep up this girls' club antics, they're going to lose audiences. The thing is they do have substance and are good journalists when they want to be; their personal interviews with skaters have excellent questions and issues. They just have to save their "girls night out" acts to "girls night out," and be professional when doing interviews. This and That has descended into juvenile territory, and if they want to make it big, they have to stop this crap.

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