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    Worlds will rise who will dominate for 2014-18

    Gracie Gold's consistent practice reports could signal not only the revival of US ladies skating
    but a new hegemony and domination of a skater for the 2014-2018 quad

    Gracie is having a blast in Tokyo: https://twitter.com/GraceEGold

    Worlds title will be Gracie or Mao Asada's to lose

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    History tells that the Gold medalist of the Post-Olympic World almost never dominate the next quadrennial.
    (2006: Denkova-Staviyski, Kimi Meissner, Lambiel, Pang-Tong,
    2010: Virtue-Moir, Pang-Tong, Mao Asada, Takahashi).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigdeal View Post
    History tells that the Gold medalist of the Post-Olympic World almost never dominate the next quadrennial.
    (2006: Denkova-Staviyski, Kimi Meissner, Lambiel, Pang-Tong,
    2010: Virtue-Moir, Pang-Tong, Mao Asada, Takahashi).
    1998: Kwan, Yagudin, Krylova & Ovsiannikov, Berezhnaya & Sikharulidze. Not really dominate apart from Yagudin, but closer than the years you mentioned by far.

    I think if Hanyu, l&K, S&K, win then it will in this case be who will dominate the next quad unless V&T return.

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    I don't totally disagree but there are some who will not be at Worlds this year and then there is always the unknown. Worlds in 2016 maybe for who is going to dominate. There are too many people retiring or who SHOULD retire, plaguing injuries, age, etc. I'm not ready to say anyone from this year is going to dominate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noskates View Post
    I don't totally disagree but there are some who will not be at Worlds this year and then there is always the unknown. Worlds in 2016 maybe for who is going to dominate. There are too many people retiring or who SHOULD retire, plaguing injuries, age, etc. I'm not ready to say anyone from this year is going to dominate.
    Hanyu and I&K already look pretty obvious to be the ones to dominate the next 4 years and they are likely to win worlds this year. So in that sense this years worlds will be more than the norm in that sense, probably the most since 1998. Pairs and ladies is far more unknown, and in fact the ladies winner at this years worlds is likely to be someone who is near the end of her career rather than dominating the next 4 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post

    I think if Hanyu, l&K, S&K, win then it will in this case be who will dominate the next quad unless V&T return.
    exactly: If Yuzu, S/K, I/K and Garcie win
    they are good best shots for the next quadrennial

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    exactly: If Yuzu, S/K, I/K and Garcie win
    they are good best shots for the next quadrennial
    Probably so. Gold will almost always beat Sotnikova outside of Russia, she always has, and I dont see any major events in Russia anytime soon. Lipnitskaya is probably done once she grows anymore. Radianova wont be here and she is a potential big factor the next 4 years though.

    Yuzu, I/K, and S/K seem the logical choices to dominate the next quad, and all could win here, although it will be tougher for S/K having to face S/S here but not impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pangtongfan View Post
    Probably so. Gold will almost always beat Sotnikova outside of Russia, she always has, and I dont see any major events in Russia anytime soon. Lipnitskaya is probably done once she grows anymore. Radianova wont be here and she is a potential big factor the next 4 years though.

    Yuzu, I/K, and S/K seem the logical choices to dominate the next quad, and all could win here, although it will be tougher for S/K having to face S/S here but not impossible.
    I would also add Pogorilaya as potential, she has good body type like Gracie Gold

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    In pairs, I can see S/K and S/H co-dominating(?), especially if Sui stops growing(she's 18 now, I doubt she'll grow a whole lot, height wise). M-T/M too, though I'm not sure about "dominating", exactly, but one of the top three-ish pairs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sky_fly20 View Post
    I would also add Pogorilaya as potential, she has good body type like Gracie Gold
    I am not sure on her. I like her, and I think she could make future teams for Russia but I am not sure if I see a future world champion type. She doesnt seem to have any of big jumps, great artistic potential, or super spins. You need atleast one of those compared to Lipnitskaya, Sotnikova, or Radiaonova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s_parks View Post
    In pairs, I can see S/K and S/H co-dominating(?), especially if Sui stops growing(she's 18 now, I doubt she'll grow a whole lot, height wise). M-T/M too, though I'm not sure about "dominating", exactly, but one of the top three-ish pairs.
    I dont see M-T/M ever being above a team like Stolbova & Klimov unless they majorly drop off. The two Chinese? We will see, it will depend how their artistry improves. Right now they arent good enough to beat S&K unless they bomb either, but I could see either possibly improving enough to challenge them. Volosozhar & Trankov though, if they continue, would have no problem beating the two Chinese unless they really greatly improve from here.

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    I say with a certain tranquility that hardly Gold wins the world this year. But in 2015, Gold is already a big favorite. This will give her time to suit your style and technique. Maybe some russian teen (Lipnitskaya, Pogorilaya) babys (Radionova, and other eVAS and oVAS o.0) can give problems for her. I do not think Hanyu is strong in this 2014 wc but we know that it can be overcome, and without Chan, will find it difficult opponents. For next year, the winner will not fall (here's complicated), I don't see nothing artistic in men competition. Couples in the dispute can be interesting, but not doubt that the Russians (S & K and others) will continue dominating the next quad. I will not predict anything in Ice dance, you guys already know what will be.

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    Anna Pogorilaya is unbelievably mature for her age. Assuming she learns to skate bigger and maintain her techniques, she looks very promising. She's currently skating to very heavy music that makes her look even older than she already does for her age - I don't know whether that's her strategy or not, but it seems a bit too much for her to handle. That is an easy thing to fix, though.

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    I think Yulia could dominate in the ladies assuming she doesn't get thrown off by a growth spurt.

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    The homer in me has my fingers crossed for Gabrielle Daleman - she's my favourite Canadian ladies skater - even more so than Osmond, although I know Osmond's gotten better results so far.

    I have high hopes for Gracie Gold - she's technically proficient, her artistry is improving, and she seems to be pretty much passed the 'puberty bump', so I don't imagine her body will change all that much. If she can stay healthy and committed, I think the next 4 years look bright.

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