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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalina View Post
    Orser said that they'd been working on finding music for a new SP, but that the new SP was coming out with a very similar mood to Parisian Walkways, to 'since it's very similar' he proposed to just keep it. They are going to rework the choreography and change the costume.

    Yuzuru has a record on Golden Skate, by the way: the greatest amount of so-called 'fans' who wish him bad Patrick's fans are desperate for him to find a good tech coach because they want him to win the Olympics, and Yuzuru's 'fans' want him to give up half of his on-ice training, his dancing classes, his skating skills and compulsory figure training, all of his new specialised coaches, loads of available ice whenever he wants it, his acupuncturist, his new free program that he actually likes, so that he can go back to training in the middle of the night in Sendai alone. And after doing this, he will obviously become a better skater
    Honestly it doesn't seem there are scientific proves that acupuncture is effective in treating asthma and , physically speaking, Yuzu has just experienced his worst season ever, collapsing from the beginning at FT to the end in London, so that we could assume that quantity ( facilities-dance classes-new specialized choaches etc..) doesn't automatically and necessarily means quality...

    In any case, it's rather weird and frustrating that the canadian team has openly admitted to be unable to imagine something different from PW SP, whose electric guitar is ear destroying and boring to death after a whole season, while it's paradoxical that they decided to resume Nanami's original route in order to play safe with her (former) kid...

    With a lighter touch of humor we could say that Orser & Wilson are admirably attesting Nanami's pure genius ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by os168 View Post
    Ditto Deedee (hey that rhymes! ) Even though Romeo and Juliet is among my fav programs of all time, and Hanyu is one of my all time fav skaters, but I really expect something much better from him sigh..... rehash his WR programs/character is plain lazy/typecasting, sooo Patrick Chan.. urghh...Oh Hanyu!

    Everyone seems to play very safe this year. You forgot Jeremy is redoing his Muse too (but actually I am looking forward to it) With exception of Dai (+ Jason brown?) so far. Anyone doing something original, risk taking and brave new genres deserve +3 from me and hopefully the judges.
    Right... But I can forgive him I think, because of THIS!

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoopy15 View Post
    I'm certain that the choreographer should be Robin Cousins.
    The news that Jeremy working with Robin Cousins has just made my day!

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    I say wait and see what the actually program is like before berating the poor kid and his team any further. I do agree that Brian Orser probably wasn't the best choice for Yuzu but what's done is done. They do seem unsure of how to package him, but trying to make him more refined and mature takes away what made him so appealing in the first place. That is his youth and rawness. At the very least he does have a world class facility at his hands. Asthma can be a difficult condition to control and I'm sure they are trying to do everything they can. And it's not like he's going to do the same choreography to the Nino Rota R&J. His original program was angsty while this version should be more romantic and dramatic. I also don't understand all the outrage about skaters reusing old programs or music. I mean I want to see innovative programs as much as everyone else, but you have to remember the skaters are in it to win. If they have a record breaking program that they are comfortable with and still want to do, why not? It's not like it wasn't done before. How many times did Sasha Cohen use Dark Eyes? Michelle Kwan also used her Feeling Begins and Rachmaninov programs for more than one season.

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    I just watched Bent/MacKeen new FD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV1omg4R95o): for me the program is quite nice, but not very mature and the choreography is not really intricate/sophisticated, it's still a very Junior-like program; the twizzles are difficult, the footwork is executed quite well, the only thing I didn't like very much, technically, were the lifts... However, what I want to say it's that the music is SO DISTRACTING!! I wasn't able to pay attention to the program a lot of times during it because of the beautiful music!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSGMT View Post
    I just watched Bent/MacKeen new FD (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV1omg4R95o): for me the program is quite nice, but not very mature and the choreography is not really intricate/sophisticated, it's still a very Junior-like program; the twizzles are difficult, the footwork is executed quite well, the only thing I didn't like very much, technically, were the lifts... However, what I want to say it's that the music is SO DISTRACTING!! I wasn't able to pay attention to the program a lot of times during it because of the beautiful music!
    Bent/MacKeen ARE Juniors! I am sure they will grow into their program and into their abilities as ice dancers. I have seen them live the last two years and they have really progressed and are very finished most of the time. Its also fairly early in the season though I guess the JGP will be beginning soon.

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    BENT/ MACKEEN are competing in the first JGP a week from today, and also in the 3rd JGP event in SVK.

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    Caroline Zhang

    SP: Phantom of the Opera
    LP: Butterfly Lovers Violin Concerto

    Choreo by David Wilson http://twitpic.com/d9m8j5

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    I don't really see how Yuzuru is recycling an old long program. He is skating to a completely different piece of music from the one he skated to in 2011/2012. The fact that both pieces just happen to be soundtracks to movie versions of the same play is irrelevant. Both pieces of music are very different stylistically from each other and can be interpreted in very different ways. Niño Rota's Romeo and Juliet may have been used before (ok used a lot before) but I can't recall another mens skater really owning it. Also I can't really blame skaters or choreographers for not taking musical "risks" during an Olympic season. Sometimes it pays off..but it can just as easily backfire. I for one can't wait to see Yuzuru's new program!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jennyanydots View Post
    I also don't understand all the outrage about skaters reusing old programs or music. I mean I want to see innovative programs as much as everyone else, but you have to remember the skaters are in it to win.
    Because if you are standing still (reusing a program) you are falling behind because someone else IS moving ahead. Now, if you bring a different thought to a program that you already have done, then that's a different story...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mskater93 View Post
    Because if you are standing still (reusing a program) you are falling behind because someone else IS moving ahead. Now, if you bring a different thought to a program that you already have done, then that's a different story...
    Someone else is always going to "move ahead" no matter what you do, so I don't know about that. It's like that saying: "There is always going to be someone better than you." I take that to mean not to worry about them, but use it to further motivate yourself. Of course it's a disappointment to see skaters repeat programs, but if they believe that they can do something consistently enough to actually come out on top, why not?

    Sasha reused "Dark Eyes" as her 2006 Olympic SP. She was first after the short program there. I wouldn't really call that falling behind, artistically or technically. I'm pretty certain that she had more artistry and musicality than Shizuka and Irina did then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeCygne View Post
    Caroline Zhang

    SP: Phantom of the Opera
    LP: Butterfly Lovers Violin Concerto

    Choreo by David Wilson http://twitpic.com/d9m8j5
    how unoriginal choices.. suprised shes working with Wilson though..

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    Quote Originally Posted by giulia95 View Post

    With a lighter touch of humor we could say that Orser & Wilson are admirably attesting Nanami's pure genius ...
    Recently, there have been a number of links on this site showing Yuzuru Hanyu's former skates as he came up the years, and, having re-watched them over the last couple of weeks, I couldn't help but really admire the choreography. I know that some people used to criticize some of the Abe choreography, but I can't find any of it that I don't like. Nanami really was amazing with Yuzuru Hanyu. She seemed to really capture his energy and spirit. I can't help but think she was genius in her coaching and choreography. Looking back on how well he skated with her, no one can deny that.

    I also like Orser though and how Yuzuru Hanyu has progressed under Orser (in respect to his skating).

    Regarding the choreography chosen under Orser, I like the choreography to his short last season, but I hated the music (from listening to it the second time onward). In fact, if there is one thing that has been lacking in Toronto (be it for the ex by Browning, the short by Buttle or the long by Wilson), it seems to be the music choices for those three Yuzuru Hanyu skates. (Incidentally, someone on one of the youtube videos shows the ex with Browning's choreography, which I thought I did not like, being done to a different soundtrack, and I thought "wow, this is good." The link is on one of the recent posts on his fansite.) In Parisienne Walkways, that metal guitar playing at the beginning is worse to my ears than hearing fingernails scratching on a chalkboard, and the rest of it is not much better. His fs last year was not the prettiest choreography to watch (granted, it is doubtful that it was meant to be) but Hanyu did make it work well as the season progressed. But, regardless, the music for the fs was totally uninspiring (just an opinion . . . others might like it).

    I wish that different music had been chosen both last year and this year. The new choice for the fs this year seems uninspiring.

    Bottom line: These music choices do not match the greatness of either the skater or likely the choreography that will be done with it. But, no matter what this kid skates, as someone else noted, he does it well. (I think better than anyone else but that is just my opinion.) I still look forward to seeing him skate the new programs with optimistic anticipation even if I am going to either turn off or ignore the sound on the re-watches.

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    I'm optimistic. I think that will be good for Romeo and Juliet. A small detail from what I have seen, I really like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ser22 View Post
    I'm optimistic. I think that will be good for Romeo and Juliet. A small detail from what I have seen, I really like it.
    Yeah! As a super Yuzuru fan, I am looking forward to it too The snippet I saw in the practice video was good enough to convince me that the program will be super-b!

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    I love PW so I don't mind that Yuzuru Hanyu uses it for another year. (Hey, I happen to like blues and rock.) It’s the Olympic year so he wants to maximize points. He is so familiar with PW that he can now fully concentrate on his new fs. I actually like Nino Rota’s R&J. I am not a huge Wilson fan but I won’t judge it before I have seen it. Yuzuru seems to like it so I have every confidence that he will make it work beautifully.

    Longtime figure skating fans are familiar with a lot of music used before, but these young kids are just becoming familiar with them. I don’t blame them for liking catchy tunes instead of some unknown music that is often difficult to grasp. Although I would love to hear a lot more rock

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