08-22-2013, 11:06 AM
Right... But I can forgive him I think, because of THIS!
Originally Posted by os168
The news that Jeremy working with Robin Cousins has just made my day!
Originally Posted by Snoopy15
08-22-2013, 12:19 PM
I say wait and see what the actually program is like before berating the poor kid and his team any further. I do agree that Brian Orser probably wasn't the best choice for Yuzu but what's done is done. They do seem unsure of how to package him, but trying to make him more refined and mature takes away what made him so appealing in the first place. That is his youth and rawness. At the very least he does have a world class facility at his hands. Asthma can be a difficult condition to control and I'm sure they are trying to do everything they can. And it's not like he's going to do the same choreography to the Nino Rota R&J. His original program was angsty while this version should be more romantic and dramatic. I also don't understand all the outrage about skaters reusing old programs or music. I mean I want to see innovative programs as much as everyone else, but you have to remember the skaters are in it to win. If they have a record breaking program that they are comfortable with and still want to do, why not? It's not like it wasn't done before. How many times did Sasha Cohen use Dark Eyes? Michelle Kwan also used her Feeling Begins and Rachmaninov programs for more than one season.
08-22-2013, 01:49 PM
08-22-2013, 02:12 PM
Bent/MacKeen ARE Juniors! I am sure they will grow into their program and into their abilities as ice dancers. I have seen them live the last two years and they have really progressed and are very finished most of the time. Its also fairly early in the season though I guess the JGP will be beginning soon.
Originally Posted by FSGMT
08-22-2013, 02:22 PM
BENT/ MACKEEN are competing in the first JGP a week from today, and also in the 3rd JGP event in SVK.
08-22-2013, 04:33 PM
SP: Phantom of the Opera
LP: Butterfly Lovers Violin Concerto
Choreo by David Wilson http://twitpic.com/d9m8j5
08-22-2013, 04:40 PM
I don't really see how Yuzuru is recycling an old long program. He is skating to a completely different piece of music from the one he skated to in 2011/2012. The fact that both pieces just happen to be soundtracks to movie versions of the same play is irrelevant. Both pieces of music are very different stylistically from each other and can be interpreted in very different ways. Niño Rota's Romeo and Juliet may have been used before (ok used a lot before) but I can't recall another mens skater really owning it. Also I can't really blame skaters or choreographers for not taking musical "risks" during an Olympic season. Sometimes it pays off..but it can just as easily backfire. I for one can't wait to see Yuzuru's new program!
08-22-2013, 04:49 PM
At the rink. Again.
Because if you are standing still (reusing a program) you are falling behind because someone else IS moving ahead. Now, if you bring a different thought to a program that you already have done, then that's a different story...
Originally Posted by jennyanydots
08-22-2013, 06:25 PM
Someone else is always going to "move ahead" no matter what you do, so I don't know about that. It's like that saying: "There is always going to be someone better than you." I take that to mean not to worry about them, but use it to further motivate yourself. Of course it's a disappointment to see skaters repeat programs, but if they believe that they can do something consistently enough to actually come out on top, why not?
Originally Posted by mskater93
Sasha reused "Dark Eyes" as her 2006 Olympic SP. She was first after the short program there. I wouldn't really call that falling behind, artistically or technically. I'm pretty certain that she had more artistry and musicality than Shizuka and Irina did then.
08-22-2013, 06:52 PM
how unoriginal choices.. suprised shes working with Wilson though..
Originally Posted by LeCygne
08-22-2013, 06:59 PM
Recently, there have been a number of links on this site showing Yuzuru Hanyu's former skates as he came up the years, and, having re-watched them over the last couple of weeks, I couldn't help but really admire the choreography. I know that some people used to criticize some of the Abe choreography, but I can't find any of it that I don't like. Nanami really was amazing with Yuzuru Hanyu. She seemed to really capture his energy and spirit. I can't help but think she was genius in her coaching and choreography. Looking back on how well he skated with her, no one can deny that.
Originally Posted by giulia95
I also like Orser though and how Yuzuru Hanyu has progressed under Orser (in respect to his skating).
Regarding the choreography chosen under Orser, I like the choreography to his short last season, but I hated the music (from listening to it the second time onward). In fact, if there is one thing that has been lacking in Toronto (be it for the ex by Browning, the short by Buttle or the long by Wilson), it seems to be the music choices for those three Yuzuru Hanyu skates. (Incidentally, someone on one of the youtube videos shows the ex with Browning's choreography, which I thought I did not like, being done to a different soundtrack, and I thought "wow, this is good." The link is on one of the recent posts on his fansite.) In Parisienne Walkways, that metal guitar playing at the beginning is worse to my ears than hearing fingernails scratching on a chalkboard, and the rest of it is not much better. His fs last year was not the prettiest choreography to watch (granted, it is doubtful that it was meant to be) but Hanyu did make it work well as the season progressed. But, regardless, the music for the fs was totally uninspiring (just an opinion . . . others might like it).
I wish that different music had been chosen both last year and this year. The new choice for the fs this year seems uninspiring.
Bottom line: These music choices do not match the greatness of either the skater or likely the choreography that will be done with it. But, no matter what this kid skates, as someone else noted, he does it well. (I think better than anyone else but that is just my opinion.) I still look forward to seeing him skate the new programs with optimistic anticipation even if I am going to either turn off or ignore the sound on the re-watches.
08-22-2013, 10:32 PM
I'm optimistic. I think that will be good for Romeo and Juliet. A small detail from what I have seen, I really like it.
08-22-2013, 11:30 PM
Yeah! As a super Yuzuru fan, I am looking forward to it too The snippet I saw in the practice video was good enough to convince me that the program will be super-b!
Originally Posted by ser22
08-23-2013, 02:12 AM
I love PW so I don't mind that Yuzuru Hanyu uses it for another year. (Hey, I happen to like blues and rock.) It’s the Olympic year so he wants to maximize points. He is so familiar with PW that he can now fully concentrate on his new fs. I actually like Nino Rota’s R&J. I am not a huge Wilson fan but I won’t judge it before I have seen it. Yuzuru seems to like it so I have every confidence that he will make it work beautifully.
Longtime figure skating fans are familiar with a lot of music used before, but these young kids are just becoming familiar with them. I don’t blame them for liking catchy tunes instead of some unknown music that is often difficult to grasp. Although I would love to hear a lot more rock
08-23-2013, 04:14 AM
One of the things I admire most is that Nanami has alway set the bar unbelievably high to her pupil since he was a very little kid but he has never failed to accomplish the task, no matter what (asthma, earthquake...).
Originally Posted by phaeljones
They blindly trusted each other amazing abilities without any fear or hesitation and IMO that's why Yuzu is a top-notch skater despite a delicate health , poor facilities and money, and the reason why their human and emotional connection is simply amazing ( epic K&C moments).
Now the situation is totally different, there's a sort of limit , of brake often applied to Yuzuru...